I'm trying to Hit according to 12-1-0, square-square plane line, arc of approach and all that, but at the moment am going left more than I'd like. At the same time, everywhere I look poeple who are Hitting are talking about 'cross-line this' and 'closing that'. I'm almost ready to take, what seems to be, the easy way out and customise. Is it more difficult to Hit straight when following 12-1-0 to the letter? (i'm not of course)
What is a Hitter doing to hit it straight using 12-1-0, that they wouldn't be doing when using 10-5-E. the Angle of Approach and maybe, closed hips?
Nevermind,
I probably shouldn't be answering this... since what I know about hitting or TGM is not a heck of alot. But I am a new hitter and when I began the switch from swinging to hitting I hit it left often... I also fought hooks. The pulls came from my right shoulder, it had a habit of 'swinging out' at the top. The hooks came from the same place with some help from my grip. I had moved my right thumb (I mean my LEFT thumb)down behind the shaft and it took me some time to realize that the right hand had slid down a bit with the left thumb.
As I've gotten my right shoulder to move down plane ( or actually move very little at all) I find I hit it pretty straight with everything set up square. 12-1-0 is what I always refer to.... of course, it isn't what I do 100% every shot or probably most shots. I just don't like the idea of customizing (for me) without an AI telling me I should. It just adds more moving parts to track and be aware of.
I would suggest you are mixing and not actually true hitting. First of all how far back is the club going? Is the shaft in a vertical | type position or an end position --
Second, what is your right shoulder motion like? Does the right shoulder pull back as if getting ready to punch the ball or is it more of a swingers turn. Does it drive straight back at the ball, or spin like a swingers right shoulder motion?
Third, are you out and out driving with that right arm, or are you pulling the club in parts of the swing? If it is an out and out drive you will get an angled hinge and it is unlikely you will get lefts unless your plane line is bent.
Lets see the answers to these first and go from there.
psheehan, for sure you should have posted. If newcomers like us can't test our knowledge on each other, when can we? What you've said seems right on the money.
I have been working with flashlights, and, at at slow speed at least, I am tracing a straight plane line. This may be a result of actually being able to apply Delayed Hip Action when swinging very slowly inside. (more on this later)
I have had problems with the right shoulder. I don’t really get a lot of feedback from it, but I was hitting hooks with my driver and after working on that specifically, now get a very consistent little fade. I may not be paying it enough attention with the irons... this will change.
I'm almost certain (no video) that the shaft is not getting to horizontal. However, and I'm working on this, my hands do get above shoulder height. Feeling the extensor action seems to help. Another reason for this may be that I have a hard time with the Delayed Hip Action, 10-15-B. My hips seem to want to wait until my hands stop before they bump. At least that’s how it feels when I do half pace swings in front of the mirror.
I have no sensation of pulling at all, and whenever I LOOK LOOK LOOK, the clubface is across the plane at end of Follow-Through, but again, no video.
I think my grip is ok, slightly turned Strong Single Action. Sometimes I get the feeling that I have the club closed in my hands, although that may just be a result of the ball flight.
I don't have a Standard Shoulder Turn, 10-13-A, which surely is anything but 'standard'. My shoulders, I believe, rotate at right angle to my spine, 10-13-C. In front of the mirror, I can produce a Flat Backswing Shoulder Turn, but it takes an awkward lifting of the left shoulder and isn't something I've tried to incorporate to date.
Also, I'm not Zero shifting, 10-7-A. I'm yet to understand how that works on the Turned Shoulder Plane. I physically cannot have my forearm pointing at my shoulder without a straight arm, and if the shoulder and forearm are both meant to be on the TSP during release, that’s exactly what is required... obviously I'm missing something.
The first time I went out and gave Hitting a bash, I hit some beautiful high shots that tailed to the right on the way down. Now I have a tendency to draw it, if not straight. That’s without closing the face at Address to compensate for angled hinging
So there it is, all the ways I'm not matching up to 12-1-0, that I know of or suspect. Oh and I have a little Bobbing and don’t think I'm using a Straight Line Delivery Path
Ok there are some things in your post that would definately suggest mixing.
First of all do not trust feel, you must get this on video or get an AI to help out hands on.
First off the pivot motion for hitting, imagine this:
tip over into your normal golf stance, point your right fist at the golf ball, pull the arm back and drive it forward as if to punch the golf ball. This is not meant to demonstrate the arm motion of hitting, rather the pivot motion... The right shoulder pulls back and gets into that backstop position you have probably seen people write about, it then drives down in a straight line at the ball.
Now you say that your hands get above your shoulder height, this is quite dangerous territory to go into when trying to hit, to be able to drive the club with the right arm, the hands must first drop back down to shoulder height, instead of doing this, most people pull the club down from the get go, once the pull has started there can be no push/drive. So basically you have setup to hit, gone back with a no roll type feel in the backswing, yet there is a pull to start down, and all of a sudden more closing is being added to the face on the way down and the ball goes left.
Hitting can be so simple and effective, but it is imperative you actually make sure you are hitting and driving that arm, not mixing motions.
To recap:
Take that onplane right flying wedge straight up plane (no roll) to a position where your hands are around the height of your right shoulder, right shoulder should now be in a backstop type position. From there the right shoulder drives down at the ball providing the initial thrust, this thrust is transferred into the right arm which continues to DRIVE down and out. From there on it is happy days
There is probably some more that can be added, but I am sure the masters of the HIT Yoda and Ted can add some good info on top of this and fill in my mistakes
In a perfect world, I would have a quality video camera and an AI for hands on goodness. Unfortunately, we must work within the confines of reality. I can LOOK LOOK LOOK in the mirror as I make the Basic/ Acquired Motions or Downswing Waggle (must do more of these) but have no way to examine my swing when actually hitting a ball
When I pull back my arm as if to punch the ball, my hands stay below my shoulders! But only because I have no fanning of the forearm and my right shoulder therefore gets VERY high If I'm going to punch something I naturally keep my hand between it and the elbow - Push Basic The good thing about that tho is that I can start driving right from the get go, the forearm is always on plane
Question. Is it correct to say that the thrusting of the right arm should not begin until the forearm is back on plane? If it is, what exactly do you do before then? Is it the hip slide, initial shoulder move (4 barrel) and extensor action?
I understand the limitations of not having a camera etc,, I guess you will just have to LOOK LOOK LOOK a bit more carefully
Pulling back your arm as if to punch: this is why I said in my post, this is purely to display a hitters right shoulder movement, not arm movement... So forget where the hands are in that example and check out what your right shoulder is doing.
Check out Yoda's right arm holies and polies video the main site to get and good idea of what the arms (specifically the right arm) should be doing around the release interval.
With your question, initially the crossline hip slide takes up the slack in the shoulder girdles, it is not a dramatic slide. The right shoulder then drives until the elbow is back on plane and the hands are at about release height, the right arm absorbs the thrust of the right shoulder and the right arm continues this drive right on through the ball.
If I'm going to punch something I naturally keep my hand between it and the elbow - Push Basic 
The good thing about that tho is that I can start driving right from the get go, the forearm is always on plane 
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