Pics - Right Elbow/Right Forearm/#3 Pressure Point?

[annikan skywalker]

Lines are not perfect due to the lack of precision provided by my Powerpoint Tools...Sorry....I used the Elbow Plane as the reference point ...Forgive me of my lack of acknowledgment of the other plane angles in advance?

Let's begin a discussion on the relatioship of the entire right forearm flying wedge being aligned on-plane vs. on a different plane or off-plane ........including the right elbow....the right forearm, the #3 Pressure Point, the LCG....etc....

[Yoda]

Lines are not perfect due to the lack of precision provided by my Powerpoint Tools. I used the Elbow Plane as the reference point

Thanks for these, David. You are a huge contributor to our site, and we appreciate it.

[12 piece bucket]

Seems to me that all of these player (with the possible exception of one) have maintained the alignments critical to the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. Each player seems to have the Right Wrist in its require LEVEL condition. However . . . it would be interesting to see the face on view that corresponds to each of the pics to see the Right Elbow's position (Pitch Basic? Punch Basic? Perverted Pitch?). Also, the Wedge could be maintained BUT the Right Forearm could be Over-Rolled or Over-Turned.

Also, the Right Shoulder and Axis Tilt can certainly play a roll here as well . . .

[vjcapron]

Golfer #1 - Nick Price: Definitely some angled hinging going on here. Camera angle is off. His right forearm flying wedge is definitely intact, but the angle is deceiving. I know that Nick Price periodically goes through spells where he can hit nothing but low, thin, pull-fades. I bet this was one of those times.

Golfer #2 ??

Golfer #3 - Big Mac: I hope he's trying to hit a draw on this shot! The clubhead is on the "right-knee basic plane". Yikes!

Golfer #4 - Tiger: This is definitely a pic taken during the Haney era. Tiger needs to rotate that left forearm into his side just to get the clubhead onto the ball (just like Mr. Hankey prescribes). Tiger's plane was much better during the Harmon era.

Golfer #5 - Freddy: I have some video of Freddy and his clubhead will travel straight down that yellow line all the way to impact, but his hands will stay outside that line the entire way. That's why he sets up open. His plane is perfect to hit a 15 degree push right onto his target. His right forearm flying wedge is intact and on plane when viewed from down the target line.

Golfer #6 - A decent amateur? Left forearm flying wedge has been destroyed by the bowing of the left wrist. Obviously off plane.

Golfer # 7 - Vijay - Awesome. Wow.

Golfer # 8 - No doubt a very accurate player. Perfectly on plane. Awkward body positioning.

Golfer #9 - This guy couldn't hit a draw to save his life. Pull hooks don't count. Is this Popeye Parry or some other guy with a 15 handicaper's swing?

Golfer # 10 - It's no wonder he won 8 majors.

[birdie_man]

So tough to know exactly what's goin on with these guys....with camera angles, hitting different shots, etc. I think we can evaluate them based on what we see but it's tough to know exactly what they're really doing.

[annikan skywalker]

Golfer #1 - Nick Price: Definitely some angled hinging going on here. Camera angle is off. His right forearm flying wedge is definitely intact, but the angle is deceiving. I know that Nick Price periodically goes through spells where he can hit nothing but low, thin, pull-fades. I bet this was one of those times.

Golfer #2 ??

Golfer #3 - Big Mac: I hope he's trying to hit a draw on this shot! The clubhead is on the "right-knee basic plane". Yikes!

Golfer #4 - Tiger: This is definitely a pic taken during the Haney era. Tiger needs to rotate that left forearm into his side just to get the clubhead onto the ball (just like Mr. Hankey prescribes). Tiger's plane was much better during the Harmon era.

Golfer #5 - Freddy: I have some video of Freddy and his clubhead will travel straight down that yellow line all the way to impact, but his hands will stay outside that line the entire way. That's why he sets up open. His plane is perfect to hit a 15 degree push right onto his target. His right forearm flying wedge is intact and on plane when viewed from down the target line.

Golfer #6 - A decent amateur? Left forearm flying wedge has been destroyed by the bowing of the left wrist. Obviously off plane.

Golfer # 7 - Vijay - Awesome. Wow.

Golfer # 8 - No doubt a very accurate player. Perfectly on plane. Awkward body positioning.

Golfer #9 - This guy couldn't hit a draw to save his life. Pull hooks don't count. Is this Popeye Parry or some other guy with a 15 handicaper's swing?

Golfer # 10 - It's no wonder he won 8 majors.

vjcapron....I like most of your posts

So please do not take any of the following as personal...my writing style does take on a hint of sarcasm...but not directly a personal attack...Are we okay with that?


Here we go....

Golfer #1 is Matt Kutchar...NOT...Nick Price....His club is "Rolled - Out" off plane by a premature Roll of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge thus changing the hand to plane relationship....hope he angle hinges this one...

Golfer #2 is Ted Tryba....His club is outside his hand path due to two much #2 accumulator(Doulble Action) with a 10-2-D GRIP TYPE...THIS IS OKAY FOR PLAYING CUT SHOTS WITH ANGLED HINGING...

Golfer #3 is Big Mac...You're Right....but that is NOT the Clubhead near his right leg...it is a shadow ...for the facts are that Mac is the only player with the right elbow, right forearm, #3 Pressure Point , and the LCG on the plane angle....The reason you cannot see the clubhead ...It's covering his right hand!!! Sorry for the picture quality...

Golfer #4 is Tiger Woods....At the 1999 US Open in Pinehurst...2 Stations down from me and Clearwater...Unfortunatley...Haney was working with O'Meara who BTW was the "dude between Clearwater and Tiger....Butchie was behind El Tigre....Obviously Tiger knew Hank....But Butchie was his MAN on that day!!!

Golfer #5 is Fred Couples...I agree from a 15-20 degree open stanceline about the straight line delivery...Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact-Yes....On-Plane?

Golfer #6 is Cadet Fisher from West Point...and yes at the time in deep s#*! Since adjusted!!! Great Kid...gonna serve our country upon graduation this May...giving up his clubs for a ride in a Tank in Iraq...Thanks Jimmy!!!

Golfer #7 is VJ....What is so Awesome? Other than the fact he's #2 in the world and won a whole lot of tournaments in the past few years...If he wasn't #2 in the world and didn't practice more than anyone else....Who really would notice? Besides I think what makes VJ awesome is he's strengthned his whole game....

Golfer #8 is Bob Tway....Define perfectly on-plane? Lost a little bit of waist bend and knee bend here?

Golfer #9 is Joey Sindelar....Yes...I agree definitely a 15-Handicappers swing....But he'd probably ask us sarcastically "How many PGA TOUR Events have we won with our swings?"

Golfer #10 is Tom Watson......It'a wonder he won 8 majors. What defined Watson...isn't technique...It's all the intangible of a True Champion..and a HOT putter for a while!!!!!

I apologize for the Sarcasm in advance.....

Nothing Personal!!!


AS

[purehogan]

vjcapron

Have you had any personal long-term experience with Haney?

[12 piece bucket]

Mr. Ballstriker . . .

It seems that Mac is the only player (assuming camera angles are positioned properly) that has achieve the alignment of the Sweet Spot, PP3, Right Forearm, Right Forerarm Flying Wedge assembly, and Right Elbow all on the same Plane Angle Line drawn from the Right Elbow to Base Line of the Plane.

Of course there are some pretty dang good players in the pics that have managed a great deal of success without achieving the "uncompensated alignment." Many of these players DO have the Right Forearm Flying Wedge Structure intact. However, they are "off-plane?" Correct?

So . . . question . . . .

Which is more important?

Maintaining the structure of the Right Forearm Flying Wege i.e. the Level condition of the Right Wrist with the Clubshaft and the Right Forearm in the same plane like the javelin chucker?

OR

Being perfectly On-Plane without the integrety of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge?

You have certainly spent a great deal of time putting this together. What are we to learn from this?

Class in session?

B

[vjcapron]

vjcapron....I like most of your posts

So please do not take any of the following as personal...my writing style does take on a hint of sarcasm...but not directly a personal attack...Are we okay with that?

Hell yeah I'm okay with that. I learn a little something from 90% of your posts.

Golfer #1 is Matt Kutchar...NOT...Nick Price....His club is "Rolled - Out" off plane by a premature Roll of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge thus changing the hand to plane relationship....hope he angle hinges this one...

I saw the clubface position and I immediately thought that it just had to be Nick Price. I've got some video from '93 of Nicky P. in very much the same position...and I couldn't believe back then what I was seeing.

Golfer #2 is Ted Tryba....His club is outside his hand path due to two much #2 accumulator(Doulble Action) with a 10-2-D GRIP TYPE...THIS IS OKAY FOR PLAYING CUT SHOTS WITH ANGLED HINGING...

I just learned another REASON why someone can be off plane instead of just recognizing that the clubshaft IS off plane. I understand what you are saying here.

Golfer #3 is Big Mac...You're Right....but that is NOT the Clubhead near his right leg...it is a shadow ...for the facts are that Mac is the only player with the right elbow, right forearm, #3 Pressure Point , and the LCG on the plane angle....The reason you cannot see the clubhead ...It's covering his right hand!!! Sorry for the picture quality...

Golfer #4 is Tiger Woods....At the 1999 US Open in Pinehurst...2 Stations down from me and Clearwater...Unfortunatley...Haney was working with O'Meara who BTW was the "dude between Clearwater and Tiger....Butchie was behind El Tigre....Obviously Tiger knew Hank....But Butchie was his MAN on that day!!!

If Butchie was his man that day, I guess he was just a "little stuck" on that swing.

Golfer #5 is Fred Couples...I agree from a 15-20 degree open stanceline about the straight line delivery...Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact-Yes....On-Plane?

Have you seen the swing sequence in Freddy's book "Total Shotmaking", taken back when Freddy was #1 in the world? I'll try to scan it and post it this week. His downswing plane and flying wedges are textbook TGM.

Golfer #7 is VJ....What is so Awesome? Other than the fact he's #2 in the world and won a whole lot of tournaments in the past few years...If he wasn't #2 in the world and didn't practice more than anyone else....Who really would notice? Besides I think what makes VJ awesome is he's strengthned his whole game....

I saw your post about Vijay's "Mess" and I agreed with most of your analysis. However, on this swing, is he not closer to the "right elbow, right forearm, #3 Pressure Point , and the LCG on the plane angle" than any of the other golfers in this post?.

Golfer #8 is Bob Tway....Define perfectly on-plane? Lost a little bit of waist bend and knee bend here?

Well, the club is parallel to the ground and parallel to the target line. The toe is pointing straight up in the air. Okay, so he might be a hair under the yellow line, which explains his preference for repeating a drawing ball flight.

Golfer #9 is Joey Sindelar....Yes...I agree definitely a 15-Handicappers swing....But he'd probably ask us sarcastically "How many PGA TOUR Events have we won with our swings?"

A lot of ways to get it done. He does cut most of his shots though, doesn't he? He's got to hit fades from that position.

Golfer #10 is Tom Watson......It'a wonder he won 8 majors. What defined Watson...isn't technique...It's all the intangible of a True Champion..and a HOT putter for a while!!!!!

I've always admired his golf swing even though it is not the most mechanically efficient action. I love Watson's upbeat, one-two tempo and his rhythm. I enjoy watching him hit bunker shots - his rhythm doesn't change and he gets the best "thump" in the greenside bunkers. He picks it clean with the long irons and digs out a nice pork chop with the short irons. I love how he fully turns the hips on the backswing - easy on the back. His champions tour career should last until he hits 60+. His five-under-par 65 in the first round of the 2003 Open at Olympia Fields with Bruce Edwards on the bag was special.

[annikan skywalker]

Great responses.....

Vj's clubhead is slightly below and inside the #3PP...

What makes the analysis XXX-Rated in my opinion is where the clubhead and right forearm are here versus Frame #7 in the anlysis on the VJ Thread....

Thanx....90% is still an "A" here at the University

AS