I have seen the term 3barrel, 4 barrel hitting here. Can someone please give a brief (if possible ) explanation of what this is and what it is all about? Thanks.
The number of "barrels" refers to how many Power Accumulators you are employing in your stroke. Single barrel is one, double is two, etc.
Hitters usually employ a triple barrel stroke using accumulators 1, 2, and 3. A Swinger's triple barrel is usually 2, 3, and 4. There can be four barrel Hitting but not four barrel Swinging.
Do you have the book? 6-B is the key to understanding all of this.
There is four barrel swinging...look to the third edition stroke patterns, the 4 accumulator pattern is a swinging four barrel pattern. Look to the current edition on p. 37, the four barrel swinging pattern is talked about on that page!!! "in which case -- to Pivot thrust add a strong Pressure Point #4 (should be #1 Pressure Point per the revised 7th edition) thrust per 10-19-C (hence four barrel swinging).
There is four barrel swinging...look to the third edition stroke patterns, the 4 accumulator pattern is a swinging four barrel pattern. Look to the current edition on p. 37, the four barrel swinging pattern is talked about on that page!!! "in which case -- to Pivot thrust add a strong Pressure Point #4 (should be #1 Pressure Point per the revised 7th edition) thrust per 10-19-C (hence four barrel swinging).
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In Four-Barrel Hitting, the Right Elbow (#1 Accumulator) drives the entire Primary Lever Assembly, i.e., it drives both the Left Arm and the Clubshaft. In Four-Barrel Left Arm Swinging, the Right Elbow drives only the Left Arm,not the Club. This action is the above-referenced 10-19-C application that can be used to "support the pull of the Clubshaft..."especially for Short Shot Power."
Any attempt to drive the Club radially with Right Arm Thrust will result in opposition by Centrifugal Force and an actual Power Loss. That is because Centrifugal Force, which is driving the Club at its own very steady rate after its 'Instant Acceleration' Start Down, does not wish to be disturbed. In the event the muscular override is successful, the result will almost certainly be a bent Left Wrist and geometric disaster. Accordingly, Homer Kelley was adamant in his view regarding any attempt to add Right Arm Thrust to a Swing. In his own words: "There is absolutely no point."
Remember, though, that Radial Right Arm Thrust is a Pushing Action -- like turning a wheel by pushing on one of its spokes. This is not the same thing as the Right Arm Swing, a sound procedure whose Longitudinal Centrifugal Acceleration is the result of the Right Arm's Pulling of the Clubshaft in the direction its butt end is pointing.
There is no Four Barrel Right Arm Swinging because it is impossible to Pull with the Right Arm and Push with the Right Arm at the same time.
There is four barrel swinging...look to the third edition stroke patterns, the 4 accumulator pattern is a swinging four barrel pattern. Look to the current edition on p. 37, the four barrel swinging pattern is talked about on that page!!! "in which case -- to Pivot thrust add a strong Pressure Point #4 (should be #1 Pressure Point per the revised 7th edition) thrust per 10-19-C (hence four barrel swinging).
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Remember, though, that Radial Right Arm Thrust is a Pushing Action -- like turning a wheel by pushing on one of its spokes. This is not the same thing as the Right Arm Swing, a sound procedure whose Longitudinal Centrifugal Acceleration is the result of the Right Arm's Pulling of the Clubshaft in the direction its butt end is pointing.
There is no Four Barrel Right Arm Swinging because it is impossible to Pull with the Right Arm and Push with the Right Arm at the same time.
Yoda,
Please, please, please...just for my edification, detail the right arm swinging procedure. Doesn't the right elbow become the center of the swing thus decreasing radius power? Isn't the chubshaft thrown in-line with the right arm and thus producing a bent left wrist? If so, what would be the advantages of using right arm swinging over three barrel swinging or hitting?
You wrote, "In Four-Barrel Left Arm Swinging, the Right Elbow drives only the Left Arm, not the Club."
I see a Sea Change here! You are NOW saying there is 4-barrel Swing. The problem here is that with any grip OTHER THAN A CROSSHANDED ONE, it's not possible for the Right Elbow to drive the Left Arm without also radially driving the club, because the force will be applied between PP #2 and the clubhead.
Friends,
There can be a 4-Barrel Left Arm Swing(10-3-B), But only a 3-Barrel Right Arm Swing Procedure(Bat-10-3-K). In a 4-Barrel version the right arm is applying support to the left arm ONLY, NOT the Entire Primary lever which would definitely be Hitting. I never knew Mr. Kelley, so I don't have the "ANSWER". However, I feel the reason it is not recommended to use the right arm "Actively" for this procedureis due to several factors;
1.) The danger of Right Arm Thrust stifling Centrifugal Force and it's"Natural" Modus Operandi
2.) It could change a sequenced release to a simultaneous release of Accumulators #2 & #3.
3.) Changing from an Arc of Approach (On-Line) to a Angle of Approach delivery line can result with Drag Loading some serious Blocks and/or Hooks.
4.) The tendency for right Arm Thrust Producing an Uncentered Angled Hinge and an above plane shift of the clubhead due to the cross-line momentum "out" toward right field (2-j-3 4th,5th &, 6th editions)
There are probably more and more reasons why 4-barrel swinging is NOT ADVISED ...Can it be done ....Yes BUT why was the last sentence of 10-4-D written?...Less than fully mastered...Notice no comment toward swinging or hitting.
By the Way....3rd Edition 12-4 is a 4-barrel stroke pattern for swinging ...Read 12-4-0 with Care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.) Grip - Basic Overlap
2.) Grip Type - Strong Single
3.) Stroke - Basic SLAP/PITCH in the later editions
4.) Stroke Variation - FOUR - BARREL
5,) Plane Line - Closed/Closed
6.) Plane Angle Basic - Elbow
7.) Plane Angle - Variation Double Shift
8.) Fix - Standard
9.) Address - Standard
10.) Hinge Action - Dual Horizontal
11.) Pressure Point Combination - FOUR POINT
12.) Pivot - Standard
13.) Shoulder Turn - Standard
14.) Hip Turn - Standard
15.) Hip Action - Standard
16.) Knee Action - Standard
17.) Foot Action - Standard
18.) Wrist Action - STANDARD
19.) Lag Loading - DRAG
20.) Trigger Type - WRIST THROW
21.) Assembly Point - END
22.) Loading Action - SNAP
23.) Delivery Path - TOP ARC/ANGLED LINE
24.) Release - AUTOMATIC SNAP
Something or Someone is Wrong Here!!!!
Checkout items ....#3,#4,#11, #18-24 these are all compatible with a swing procedure...Yes?....However, "To Swing orTto HIT ? That is THE QUESTION!
To Solve this Question...Go employ this stroke procedure and see what the findings are to the research....I recommend an indoor range with a VERY High Shutter Speed Camera (1/4000 or higher) I DON'T THINK ANYONE should try this on the golf course or even the driving range with out the supervision of a camera....After all the Great Ben Hogan used the mirrors in his hotel rooms to get feed back from the driving range....Then he "Dug It Out of the Ground!"
By the Way does this stroke pattern resemble anyone at all or is it simply the "IDEAL" in one's own mind or theorectically speaking type of forum?
You wrote, "In Four-Barrel Left Arm Swinging, the Right Elbow drives only the Left Arm, not the Club."
I see a Sea Change here! You are NOW saying there is 4-barrel Swing. The problem here is that with any grip OTHER THAN A CROSSHANDED ONE, it's not possible for the Right Elbow to drive the Left Arm without also radially driving the club, because the force will be applied between PP #2 and the clubhead.
There is no Four-Barrel Swing wherein the Right Arm actively Drives the Club as a substitute for Centrifugal Force. Such an action is, by definition, a Hit.
However, that does not preclude the Right Arm's support of the Clubshaft Pull through Pressure Point #1 (10-19-C). And when the Swinger applies Right Arm Power in any manner other than active Extensor Action and passive Lag Pressure, the Stroke may be properly labeled Four-Barrelled.
Actively or passively, Pressure Points #2 and #3 drive the Hands. Similarly, Pressure Points #1 and #4 drive the Arms. This is true regardless of an individual Pressure Point's Location with respect to another. Therefore, it is possible for the Right Arm to actively drive the Left Arm (through Pressure Point #1) at the same time Centrifugal Force drives the Club (through Pressure Point #2).
For the reasons stated in my prior post, that does not make it advisable.
Annikan wrote, "There can be a 4-Barrel Left Arm Swing(10-3-B)".
Then explain how you can use #1 Accumulator(extend the Right Elbow with the Right Tricep) and NOT apply radial force to the handle. With any of the usual grips, #1 PP is below #2 PP and pressure applied to #1 will lever the club with the #2 PP becoming a fulcrum.
) explanation of what this is and what it is all about? Thanks.
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