Average Joe

[12 piece bucket]

How good can Average Joe be? Let's assume enough physical talent to play a high school sport. Decent eye hand coordination . . .

We Drinkers of the Koolaid are armed with the absolute BEST information in golf - G.O.L.F. What can we do with this information?

The average handicap is stagnant at best. Let's say that the LBG/TGM Revolution's momentum continues to swell. How good can Joe Average be let us assume 2 hours of practice time, 1 18 hole round, and 1 9 hole escape per week.

Hogan said that the "average" golfer should be a 70's shooter. What do we say?

Can we develop a "scoring" template?

Any ideas?

B

[Yoda]

How good can Average Joe be? Let's assume enough physical talent to play a high school sport. Decent eye hand coordination . . .

Hogan said that the "average" golfer should be a 70's shooter. What do we say?

I don't know what the rest of we will say.

But I do know what Homer Kelley said.

And he said:

"If you can keep your Left Wrist Flat through Impact, you will break 80 tomorrow."

In fact, that is exactly what he did in 1941. After only five months of golf, he shot a 77 on a championship course. His book -- The Golfing Machine® -- was born because he could not explain how he did it. Nor could he find anyone else who could. And because he didn't know, he immediately reverted to his old, high-handicap form. The "sweeping" Feel he had that day soon became a distant memory.

Sixteen years later, he discovered the Flat Left Wrist. Only then did he remember what the pro had told him:

"Semi-lock your left wrist through impact."

That is what Homer had done those many years before.

And a 77 is what he got.

Flat Left Wrist, anyone?

[Bagger Lance]

Flat Left Wrist, anyone?

Boy do I agree.
Assuming you are lined up to your target and you know your distances.

What is the scoring value of hitting the fairway?
What is the scoring value of hitting greens?
What is the scoring value of chipping, pitching and bunker play within Birdie radius of the pin?
What is the scoring value of an on-line putt?

My opinion, that flat left wrist is the Master Essential!

How difficult is it on every shot?
Witness the need for corrective Golf Instruction and training aids worldwide.

The Momentus, Tic Tac Wrist, Impact Bag, Medicus, Swingsetter, etc. All of them can be measured as effective or ineffective by their ability to correct a bent left wrist.

Put another way, it is difficult to keep a flat left wrist off plane and/or without lag pressure.

Bagger

[Trig]

That flat left wrist is the Master Essential!

How difficult is it on every shot?
Witness the need for corrective Golf Instruction and training aids worldwide.

The Momentus, Tic Tac Wrist, Impact Bag, Medicus, Swingsetter, etc. All of them can be measured as effective or ineffective by their ability to correct a bent left wrist.

Bagger

Why is it then all of these instructors and training aids rarely even mention the Flat Left Wrist?

"Makes you wanna go, hmmmmm...."

[Bagger Lance]

Why is it then all of these instructors and training aids rarely even mention the Flat Left Wrist?

"Makes you wanna go, hmmmmm...."

Guess I should have mentioned, Golf Instruction can be measured as effective or ineffective by the same.

Thanks bud. We need to get out and play sometime! Like...let's set it up!

I know you are waiting on me...

[Trig]

I know you are waiting on me...

I'm sorry....who ARE you?

[12 piece bucket]

I don't know what the rest of we will say.

But I do know what Homer Kelley said.

And he said:

"If you can keep your Left Wrist Flat through Impact, you will break 80 tomorrow."

In fact, that is exactly what he did in 1941. After only five months of golf, he shot a 77 on a championship course. His book -- The Golfing Machine® -- was born because he could not explain how he did it. Nor could he find anyone else who could. And because he didn't know, he immediately reverted to his old, high-handicap form. The "sweeping" Feel he had that day soon became a distant memory.

Sixteen years later, he discovered the Flat Left Wrist. Only then did he remember what the pro had told him:

"Semi-lock your left wrist through impact."

That is what Homer had done those many years before.

And a 77 is what he got.

Flat Left Wrist, anyone?

How good can Joe Average get and how much time will it take?

From 25,000 hours on the tee:

Getting to make a better swing and look like a golfer - 15min. to 2hours

Breaking 100 regularly (if you never have) - less than one year

Break 90 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 3 years

Break 80 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 5 years

Assuming an average condition man 35-55, five lessons a year, one bucket a week in season, 20+ rounds per season.

And a good FITTED set of clubs.

Yoda and Brian!

Now this precisely the kind of OPTIMISM I am looking for! On other forums when this question is alluded to some teachers are saying "Well students are A.D.D. they'll never get it." It's frustrating to hear this kind of poor mouthing. I mean come on! We are armed with THE BEST information period bar none in golf!

I'm glad that our two FEARLESS LEADERS brimming with confidence are also FEARLESS BELIEVERS in what they teach! Good to see that the brass is willing to EAT THEIR OWN DAWG FOOD!!!

I'm in total agreement that Average Joe can be turned into the Swan! Most are out hear trying to break their glass ceiling 90, 80 or 70. At the end of the day you gotta write down a number. Glad that you have enough belief in your info, ability to teach and ultimately BELIEF IN YOUR STUDENT. Cause if the teacher don't believe, how can the student?

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

[Yoda]

Cause if the teacher don't believe, how can the student?

Colonel 12 Piece ,

I address this issue in a soon-to-be-published interview with Australia's largest golf website, www.iseekgolf.com. Stay tuned!

[brianmanzella]

Two examples of what can happen:

Worst golfer I ever taught, A.D.

He could not have possibly broke 113 on a 113 slope course (national mean).

He took 47 lessons from October 1990 to April 1991.

On a par 70 course, he shot 89, putting poorly.


A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months. His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a wek for 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

[brianmanzella]

Two examples of what can happen:

Worst golfer I ever taught, A.D.

He could not have possibly broke 113 on a 113 slope course (national mean).

He took 47 lessons from October 1990 to April 1991.

On a par 70 course, he shot 89, putting poorly.


A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months?

His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a week for 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.