In assembling a stroke pattern for hitting I have been cross-referencing on The Straight Line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. I understand that this line goes out toward "right field" or "from 7 to 1" as I have also seen it expressed by Ted Fort on one of the Lynn Blake videos here. Some confusion has come up though in reading in the 7th Edition under 2-J-3 Visual Equivalents in the description of the two plane line / guideline configurations of 10-5-A and 10-5-E. Homer says that swinging out toward right field "just arbitrarily requires a 10-5-E Closed Plane Line..." but as I look at the pictures in 10-5-A and 10-5-E the photos seem to be reversed. Is this possibly a typo? I can not imagine how to swing my "spoke" out to right field using the guideline of 10-5-E that looks like a target line to left field. Also, when I am delivering my clubhead on this angle for hitting, is my clubface square to this angle of approach meaning that it appears a bit open to my square stance line? Or should my stance be closed as a hitter? Thanks in advance to anyone who could advise on this. Thoughts?
In assembling a stroke pattern for hitting I have been cross-referencing on The Straight Line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. I understand that this line goes out toward "right field" or "from 7 to 1" as I have also seen it expressed by Ted Fort on one of the Lynn Blake videos here. Some confusion has come up though in reading in the 7th Edition under 2-J-3 Visual Equivalents in the description of the two plane line / guideline configurations of 10-5-A and 10-5-E. Homer says that swinging out toward right field "just arbitrarily requires a 10-5-E Closed Plane Line..." but as I look at the pictures in 10-5-A and 10-5-E the photos seem to be reversed. Is this possibly a typo? I can not imagine how to swing my "spoke" out to right field using the guideline of 10-5-E that looks like a target line to left field. Also, when I am delivering my clubhead on this angle for hitting, is my clubface square to this angle of approach meaning that it appears a bit open to my square stance line? Or should my stance be closed as a hitter? Thanks in advance to anyone who could advise on this. Thoughts?
Per 10-5-0,
"Any "Line" rotated - even slightly - to the left of parallel to the Target Line (CCW), is in its "Open" position - rotated to the right (CW), it is in its "Closed" position."
CW = Clockwise
CCW = Counter Clockwise
There three lines in 10-5.
...Line of Flight
...Plane Line
...Stance Line
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10-5-A, Square-Square means that the Plane Line and Stance Line are square in RELATION to the Line of Flight.
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10-5-B, Square-Open means that the Plane Line is square to the Line of Flight, but the Stance Line is open in relation to the Line of Flight.
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10-5-E, Closed-Closed means that both the Plane Line and Stance Line are closed in relation to the Line of Flight.
In assembling a stroke pattern for hitting I have been cross-referencing on The Straight Line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. I understand that this line goes out toward "right field" or "from 7 to 1" as I have also seen it expressed by Ted Fort on one of the Lynn Blake videos here. Some confusion has come up though in reading in the 7th Edition under 2-J-3 Visual Equivalents in the description of the two plane line / guideline configurations of 10-5-A and 10-5-E. Homer says that swinging out toward right field "just arbitrarily requires a 10-5-E Closed Plane Line..." but as I look at the pictures in 10-5-A and 10-5-E the photos seem to be reversed. Is this possibly a typo? I can not imagine how to swing my "spoke" out to right field using the guideline of 10-5-E that looks like a target line to left field. Also, when I am delivering my clubhead on this angle for hitting, is my clubface square to this angle of approach meaning that it appears a bit open to my square stance line? Or should my stance be closed as a hitter? Thanks in advance to anyone who could advise on this. Thoughts?
First check out 10-5-0 General . . .
The first term in each combination refers to the Plane Line – the second term refers to the Stance Line (Feet only) and denotes the relation of each Line to the Line of Flight. Three possible Plane Lines are presented but the three possible Stance Lines for each are discussed with the Square Plane Line only, because parallel Stance and Plane Lines are the basic Variation of each group of positions. Any “Line” rotated – even slightly – to the left of parallel to the Target Line (CCW), is in “Open” position – rotated to the right (CW), it is in its “Closed” position.
So the FIRST term refers to the PLANE LINE and the second is the stance. Notice that in 10-5-A you have a SQUARE PLANE LINE (parallel to the Line of Flight). However, you can have an OPEN, SQUARE or CLOSED Stance WITH THAT SQUARE PLANE LINE.
These Stance combinations are available with ANY Plane Line (the first term). So you can have Open-Open, Open-Square or Open-Closed . . . or you can have Closed-Closed, Closed-Square or Closed-Open.
Now for 10-5-E CLOSED-CLOSED (as pictured anyway) . . .
This is a group of combinations based on a Plane Line “Closed” to the Target Line with the three possible Stance Line Variations to complete the group just as the “Square-Square” Plane Line group above.
In other words, "Closed" meaning rotated clock wise or right of the Line of Flight. So the picture you are seeing for 10-5-E is showing you the Closed Stance (Foot Line) and Closed Plane Line (to the right of the Line of Flight). So yes the picture is accurate. Notice that the Line of flight is underneath the clear Plane that Mr. Kelley constructed. Where as the Line of Flight in 10-5-A is PARALLEL to the Plane Line and therefore SQUARE as depicted in the title.
Now you certainly could have a 10-5-E Plane Line which is Closed to the Line of Flight but a Stance that would be PARALLEL or Square to the Line of Flight this would be Closed-Square.
So really it doesn't matter how you position your feet or your stance. What matters is how you set up your PLANE and PLANE LINE. Remember you want to position your Clubface per 2-J-1 . . .
The Clubface must be exactly square to the Target Line (10-5) only at the Point of Separation. So the Clubface alignment at Impact Fix must fit the selected Hinge Action (7-10, 10-10) . . .
Angle Hinging gives the Clubface a Slice producing uncentered motion so while the Clubface does “Close” during Impact, Clubface alignment is slightly “Open” for short shots but for longer shots it must be set up more and more “Closed.”
So since you're talking Hitting you are or should be employing Angled Hinging. Thus the harder you intend to hit the ball the longer it will be on the Clubface during the Impact Interval which means the layback tendency of Angled Hinging is imparted to the ball more. Therefore you CLOSE the Clubface to the Line of Flight in order to account for the slice tendency of Angled Hinging. So you are adjusting your Clubface to the Line of Flight and NOT your 10-5-E Plane/Delivery Line. You want the leading edge square to the TARGET at separation.
Now to approximate the Angle of Approach or surrogate 10-5-E Plane Line . . . Per the 5th edition get your Right Forearm On Plane at Impact Fix (which could be Address for you as a Hitter). Now just imagine a line on the ground running parallel to your On-Plane Right Forearm running through the ball. That is approximately your Angle of Approach Delivery Line. However, Mr. Kelley found that the Angle of Approach procedure didn't require EXACT precision. The choice of "how far out to right field is up to you." He said it didn't matter much. Just go out to right field period. Experiment with more out or less and see what works for your game.
Many thanks to Comdpa and 12 Piece Bucket for enlightening me - wow you guys are good! This makes sense. My concept of the plane line in relation to the line of flight was incorrect. I did a close reading again of 10-5 and had a eureka moment! Thank you!
Mr. Kelley found that the Angle of Approach procedure didn't require EXACT precision. The choice of "how far out to right field is up to you." He said it didn't matter much. Just go out to right field period. Experiment with more out or less and see what works for your game.
I knew because of the uncentered motion of angled hinging that you closed the clubface down. I didn't know the difference or progression of closing the face due to loft.That clears up a lot of fog.
I knew because of the uncentered motion of angled hinging that you closed the clubface down. I didn't know the difference or progression of closing the face due to loft.That clears up a lot of fog.
Thanks Bucket.
Ahhh wait just a second . . . it is the LONGER the shot . . . so that holds true for ALL clubs regardless of loft. So for instance if you intended to rip a new one with your 9-iron you'll need to close it more.
So the harder you hit it with ANY club the more the clubface should be closed because the ball will be on the clubface longer.
The first term in each combination refers to the Plane Line – the second term refers to the Stance Line (Feet only) and denotes the relation of each Line to the Line of Flight. Three possible Plane Lines are presented but the three possible Stance Lines for each are discussed with the Square Plane Line only, because parallel Stance and Plane Lines are the basic Variation of each group of positions. Any “Line” rotated – even slightly – to the left of parallel to the Target Line (CCW), is in “Open” position – rotated to the right (CW), it is in its “Closed” position.
So the FIRST term refers to the PLANE LINE and the second is the stance. Notice that in 10-5-A you have a SQUARE PLANE LINE (parallel to the Line of Flight). However, you can have an OPEN, SQUARE or CLOSED Stance WITH THAT SQUARE PLANE LINE.
These Stance combinations are available with ANY Plane Line (the first term). So you can have Open-Open, Open-Square or Open-Closed . . . or you can have Closed-Closed, Closed-Square or Closed-Open.
Now for 10-5-E CLOSED-CLOSED (as pictured anyway) . . .
This is a group of combinations based on a Plane Line “Closed” to the Target Line with the three possible Stance Line Variations to complete the group just as the “Square-Square” Plane Line group above.
In other words, "Closed" meaning rotated clock wise or right of the Line of Flight. So the picture you are seeing for 10-5-E is showing you the Closed Stance (Foot Line) and Closed Plane Line (to the right of the Line of Flight). So yes the picture is accurate. Notice that the Line of flight is underneath the clear Plane that Mr. Kelley constructed. Where as the Line of Flight in 10-5-A is PARALLEL to the Plane Line and therefore SQUARE as depicted in the title.
Now you certainly could have a 10-5-E Plane Line which is Closed to the Line of Flight but a Stance that would be PARALLEL or Square to the Line of Flight this would be Closed-Square.
So really it doesn't matter how you position your feet or your stance. What matters is how you set up your PLANE and PLANE LINE. Remember you want to position your Clubface per 2-J-1 . . .
The Clubface must be exactly square to the Target Line (10-5) only at the Point of Separation. So the Clubface alignment at Impact Fix must fit the selected Hinge Action (7-10, 10-10) . . .
Angle Hinging gives the Clubface a Slice producing uncentered motion so while the Clubface does “Close” during Impact, Clubface alignment is slightly “Open” for short shots but for longer shots it must be set up more and more “Closed.”
So since you're talking Hitting you are or should be employing Angled Hinging. Thus the harder you intend to hit the ball the longer it will be on the Clubface during the Impact Interval which means the layback tendency of Angled Hinging is imparted to the ball more. Therefore you CLOSE the Clubface to the Line of Flight in order to account for the slice tendency of Angled Hinging. So you are adjusting your Clubface to the Line of Flight and NOT your 10-5-E Plane/Delivery Line. You want the leading edge square to the TARGET at separation.
Now to approximate the Angle of Approach or surrogate 10-5-E Plane Line . . . Per the 5th edition get your Right Forearm On Plane at Impact Fix (which could be Address for you as a Hitter). Now just imagine a line on the ground running parallel to your On-Plane Right Forearm running through the ball. That is approximately your Angle of Approach Delivery Line. However, Mr. Kelley found that the Angle of Approach procedure didn't require EXACT precision. The choice of "how far out to right field is up to you." He said it didn't matter much. Just go out to right field period. Experiment with more out or less and see what works for your game.
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