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Old 05-04-2005, 12:18 AM
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Thanks Yoda for the great video and stills of Ted's stroke. Your analysis has been very helpful. I'm still a little froggy on the description of the BACKSTROKE section. At first glance at the BACKSTROKE pic, my reaction was that looks steep. But based on your description, I figured I was missing something: "Ted's hands continue their journey to the Top on the steep Plane dictated by the Hitters Angle of Approach procedure (2-J-3)." per Collard Greens.

So when in doubt chase it down in the Yellow Book . . .

2-J-3 VISUAL EQUIVALENTS

The straight line ANGLE of Approach Delivery Line changes the Physics of Impact because the centered Angular Clubhead Momentum becomes and uncentered Linear Momentum out toward “Right Field” without ever returning to the original 10-5-A configuration during the Follow-through. This just arbitrarily requires a 10-5-E Closed Plane Line with a steeper Plane whose Angle agrees with the new Clubshaft motions so it can maintain a straight line relation to a straight line per 2-N-0.


Ok so Mr. K is saying the Angle of Approach is a straight line procedure towards "right field." Got that. But what about the Plane Line? 10-5-A is Square. So based on 10-5-A the Plane Line is is parallel to the Line of Flight. Ok cool.

But now the frog rolls in a bit . . . the new Clubshaft motion is based on 10-5-A. 10-5-A is Closed so the Plane Line is rotated clockwise towards "right field" as compared to the Line of Flight.

Question: Is Ted's Stance Square to the LOF but his Plane Line is Closed to the LOF? So with Angle of Approach procedures you are NOT using a Square to the LOF Plane Line, right?

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2-N-0 CLUBHEAD LINE OF FLIGHT (IN GEOMETRY OF THE CIRCLE)

This “Delivery Line” procedure (in this case Angle of Approach?) completely replaces the geometric Plane Line (2-F) and the Target Line because these were established at Impact Fix (7-8 ) according to the intended Hinge Action (2-J-1) and Stance Line (10-5) requirements, and their control is completely automatic. Both the Lag Pressure Point and the Clubshaft must so relate to the selected Plane OR Angle of Approach – to the geometric or the visual – but don’t try to Monitor both at the same time, though equally dependable, they need not be identical in execution AS LONG AS THE CLUBSHAFT HOLDS A STRAIGHT LINE RELATIONSHIP TO A STRAIGHT LINE – POINTING AT A STRAIGHT LINE.


So we are to replace the "geometric" Plane Line (which I assume he means the 10-5-A Square Plane Line) with the Closed 10-5-E to "right field" line.

Is this why Ted's BACKSTROKE pic looks "steep" because he is tracing the Angle of Approach delivery line? AND after the ball is struck, and the club travels in and up, should Clubshafts On-Plane relation be to the "right field" 10-5-E Plane Line or the Square to the LOF 10-5-A Plane Line?

Sorry for the epic post. I have a stomach ache in my head. Time for night night.

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Old 05-04-2005, 09:03 PM
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Re: Arnie was On-Plane
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Bucket,

Good post. Yes; from the Top, the Hitter has a new (10-5-E) Plane Line on which the motion of the Hands and Clubshaft takes place. This new Plane Line is also called the Angle of Approach and is nothing more than a straight line drawn from Impact to Low Point. The farther back in the stance the ball is placed, the more "to the right" this Angle of Approach.

Arnold Palmer's "whirly-bird" action from Follow-through to Finish was nothing more than Hands and Clubshaft staying on the new 10-5-E Plane. I think some Hitters get into trouble trying to Finish on the 10-5-A Plane.
RWH,

Thanks for your reply. Much respect for your excellent contributions to this forum. Just to clarify a couple of things . . .

Since 10-5-E is the new Plane Line, would the Aiming Point and thus Thrust be relative to 10-5-E Plane Line? Also, if a person were view a Hitter's Stroke from the "down the line" position and they ASSUMED the target line and Plane Line were Square, would it seem to the untrained eye the the impact were "inside-out?" But the Stroke itself wouldn't be inside out because the Plane Line is Closed to the Line of Flight?

Many say "swing left after Impact" or swing back "inside," so due to the Hitters Closed 10-5-E Plane Line he would swing "less left" relative to the Square Plane Line of the Swinger?

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Re: Arnie was On-Plane
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You are mining the gold, Bucket!

Yes, the motion takes place on the 10-5-E Plane Line, which is "cross-line" to the Line of Flight. This gives you not only an inside out impact, it is an inside out stroke because the 10-5-E Plane Line actually crosses the Line of Flight. Check out paragraph one of 2-J-2.

The Swinger and the Hitter both swing On Plane -- but the Hitter's Plane is "less left" relative to the Line of Flight.
RWH,

Thanks for indulging me in this. If you were actually going to identify the Angle of Approach Delivery Line on the ground, you could paint a line from the lowest point in a divot to where the ball rested right? This line would be Closed to the LOF, but "not that closed?" So we're not talking that far out in "right field" correct?

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Re: Arnie was On-Plane
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The Angle of Approach is along the Line of Compression from Impact to Separation. The line would be more over the 2nd baseman's head than to the right fielder. However, the farther back the ball is moved in the stance, the more the line would go toward the right fielder.

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