How does the classic "rule" of moving the ball back in the stance more the shorter the club is apply to TGM? I tried the fact/illusion approach but could not conclude:
FACT (?)
The bottom of the arc is always under the forward armpit so the ball position should always be 1-2 inches back from that. No matter what club used.
ILLUSION (???)
Using a shorter club will (depending on whether the golfer uses impact or address attitude?) make the correct ball position appear to be further back while its is really not. The illusion comes from the difference in wrist positions and right forearm plane du to the difference in shaft length....
As you can see I am getting lost. Not able to make up the illusion. If there is one.
I'd be grateful for your thoughts;[list=1][*] How is the correct ball position determined for each club?[*] If not obvious by the answer to 1. above, is the idea of moving the ball back in the stance:
Something that helps "flippers"
An illusion due to the different in right forearm plane and subsequent wrist adjustments.
Alot of this may have to do with the design of golf clubs themselves. Golf clubs are designed with a forward lean in the shaft when soled properly. A wedge has more forward lean than a 5 iron which has more lean than your driver. So if you kept your impact fix hand position constant for those 3 clubs, you would see why the need to move your ball position. Chuck Evans demonstrates this concept on his "How to build your golf swing" DVD.
What got me thinking was this 7-iron swing posted in a Swedish forum. Thought that the ball position was too far back, causing her to need an unneccessary lateral shift to get more "behind the ball". Seems she is moving laterally to be able to catch the green line under her armpit at impact.
She has too big of a lateral move because she has swayed off the ball. Even if you use the base of the neck as your pivot point (like i do) you are allowed "some" head movement as long as the base of the neck stays in relatively the same place. Her's moves a lot.
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She has too big of a lateral move because she has swayed off the ball. Even if you use the base of the neck as your pivot point (like i do) you are allowed "some" head movement as long as the base of the neck stays in relatively the same place. Her's moves a lot.
Exactly what I thought. My conclusion was that if she moved the ball up she would not have to "reach back". That's why I started to think about ball position.
She has too big of a lateral move because she has swayed off the ball. Even if you use the base of the neck as your pivot point (like i do) you are allowed "some" head movement as long as the base of the neck stays in relatively the same place. Her's moves a lot.
Exactly what I thought. My conclusion was that if she moved the ball up she would not have to "reach back". That's why I started to think about ball position.
Jim, i don't quite understand what you're saying here. Isn't both too big a lateral move and swaying off the ball more the same rather than one causing the other? I would have thought these were both effects rather than 1 being a cause.
She does need to be a 'bit' more stable with the upper body, but she can 'get away' with that move as long as she keeps the right knee set and the same angle of the right leg. If she released the club from where she is here she would hook it every time.
A slightly weaker left hand grip, combined with 'full' roll, and she would likely become much more stable without really thinking about it and get a lot better compression. That much movement decreases the margin for error, not enough 'down', tough to get on those matts anyway. The other very key factor here is her tempo. A very nicely 'swinging' club and a great motion - just add some DOWN and some Full Roll and adjust the left hand.
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