Augusta National getting longer - LynnBlakeGolf Forums

Augusta National getting longer

The Clubhouse Lounge

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-29-2005, 12:41 PM
Trig's Avatar
Trig Trig is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 846
Augusta National getting longer
I wonder when these guys are going to run out of real estate?

http://sports.yahoo.golfserv.com/gdc...YAHOO&id=33451
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-29-2005, 03:20 PM
metallion's Avatar
metallion metallion is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 458
Re: Augusta National getting longer
Originally Posted by Trig
I wonder when these guys are going to run out of real estate?
Studying the aerial photograph reveals the following:

As far as I've understood the current parking lot is where the new driving range will be located.
  1. Options, Hole by hole
  2. Can't see they will sacrifice the putting green since that's where the ceremony takes place. New tee will be very close to it.
  3. Seems they can still add 25 yards, not much more.
  4. Probably at max.
  5. They will obviously chop down some trees and more or less max it out. A big bad slice on #2 calls for a FORE to 4th tee.
  6. At max unless they move the green. Not likely.
  7. Pretty much at max
  8. With the 30-40 yards added it is close to max unless you stand on 5th fairway.
  9. No room for further length
  10. No room for further length
  11. No room for further length
  12. They can still make it longer than 505, but will become a par 5.
  13. It works. Don't fix it.
  14. No room for further length unless they buy a hole from the adjacent course.
  15. Seems they can still add a lot of length to this hole.
  16. With this new change the tee will be close to 11th fairway. Bet that's why they added the trees in 2004.
  17. Can be lengtend by some 30 yards.
  18. After this new change, they will be at max.
  19. Close to max, but moving 15th tee may give room for 5-10 more yards.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-29-2005, 03:26 PM
EdZ EdZ is offline
Lynn Blake Certified Instructor
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: West Linn, OR
Posts: 1,645
This is a good response to asking the wrong question.

That question isn't "how long should the course be" it is, how FAR should the BALL go?

We can all play 10,000 yrd courses of the future with a superball, or one made of kriptonite.....

Or they can just bring back the golf ball of old, with a longer lasting cover thanks to all of our technology.

The ball of the last few years goes so much farther than the 'old' balls it is absurd.

Follow the Money I suppose.....

Peace - EdZ
__________________
"Support the On Plane Swinging Force in Balance"

"we have no friends, we have no enemies, we have only teachers"

Simplicity buffs, see 5-0, 1-L, 2-0 A and B 10-2-B, 4-D, 6B-1D, 6-B-3-0-1, 6-C-1, 6-E-2
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-29-2005, 05:39 PM
birdie_man's Avatar
birdie_man birdie_man is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Canader
Posts: 1,092
I agree EdZ....we've been talking about this on Brian's board a bit...

Like I said...they use wood bats in baseball still...what's the big deal? If these guys are so good why should they be worried anyway? Everyone uses the same ball type and you have no more problems.

Can't believe they're making it longer....that's savage.

What do u mean follow the $$$ EdZ?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-29-2005, 05:57 PM
EdZ EdZ is offline
Lynn Blake Certified Instructor
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: West Linn, OR
Posts: 1,645
A lot of people make money selling 'distance' and the ball is a big part of that. A revenue stream that ends for all but one company when the 'standard' ball is finally decided upon.

Far better to teach great swings, the long term answer to more people playing golf well.
__________________
"Support the On Plane Swinging Force in Balance"

"we have no friends, we have no enemies, we have only teachers"

Simplicity buffs, see 5-0, 1-L, 2-0 A and B 10-2-B, 4-D, 6B-1D, 6-B-3-0-1, 6-C-1, 6-E-2
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-29-2005, 06:07 PM
Trig's Avatar
Trig Trig is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 846
It's the manufacturers
Originally Posted by EdZ
A lot of people make money selling 'distance' and the ball is a big part of that. A revenue stream that ends for all but one company when the 'standard' ball is finally decided upon.

Far better to teach great swings, the long term answer to more people playing golf well.
One argument is the pros will get a shorter ball and the rest of us could keep going with ball technology. But I've seen many manufacturers say, "people want to play what the pros play". So, clearly they are worried about losing revenue.

I believe the USGA has several of the ball companies designing a ball that goes 10% less. They are not saying what they plan to do with this study. Dialing the ball back is pretty easy to do, technology wise.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-29-2005, 06:39 PM
Mathew's Avatar
Mathew Mathew is offline
Inactive User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 833
Less Revenue to the right people
The courses are forever expanding and the only people that are gaining are those that sell clubs but lets look at the problems with this....

The earth is so only big and golf's popularity will go in spurts over centuries and the less land that they consume the more likely courses will cost in upkeep and land value. Courses can not keep growing as technology increases. In the Bobby Jones era most people (including him) hit drives in the range of 230-240 yards. Jack Nicklaus said that his average was 260 yerds in his prime and maybe a just a little more if he killed it

Bring back ye old wooden persimmon clubs - I tell you that without any doubt they feel more satifying at contact than these titanium blocks. Theres not much a manufacturer can do with wood.... I would like to see a big bertha version of persimmon - I don't think so many would go for it.....lol
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-29-2005, 09:41 PM
metallion's Avatar
metallion metallion is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 458
Re: It's the manufacturers
Originally Posted by Trig
One argument is the pros will get a shorter ball and the rest of us could keep going with ball technology. But I've seen many manufacturers say, "people want to play what the pros play". So, clearly they are worried about losing revenue.
And they should be.

It is interesting and sad that marketing machinery does a good enough job to keep the general public unaware of the fact that buying a set of clubs off the shelf will NOT give them what the pros have, but lousy shafts and equipment that do not suit them.

But that is the same for other sports. Downhill skiing for one.

I tend to think that it will end as a matchup between the people running St Andrews, Augusta National and other traditional major venues and the golf equipment industry.

"No one is bigger than the game", they say. Does that include the big equipment brands or not?

Tradition v/s commercial interest. The ultimate test for the game of golf if you like.

Gave it a thought & came up with this. Regardless of what you think of TW and MW you should get the idea.

How about:

One tomorrow someone will:
1. Sit on the the rights to "The Golfing Machine"
2. Buy out Tiger, Michelle Wie or whoever is best from their swoosh contracts
3. Fix their swngs
4. Make sure they become GSED's.
5. Put TGM logos on them
6. Have them play equipment without logos
7. Build 100.000 TGM centers providing affordable instruction.

(Does not have to be all TGM, but the principle is to have pros marketing various golf schools & fitness concepts instead of equipment).

- Entire money flow diverted from equipment to instruction, fitness etc
- Average handicap of all players worldwide down to 10.
- No public interest in better equpment
- Courses will not have to be longer

Eat that, Mr Golf Equipment Tycoon.

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-29-2005, 09:51 PM
nevermind nevermind is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 167
LMAO! THAT ROCKS!!!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-29-2005, 10:19 PM
birdie_man's Avatar
birdie_man birdie_man is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Canader
Posts: 1,092
Haha that's great man. Makes you think tho eh...it kinda makes sense.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Do we REALLY need longer shafts? metallion The Bag Room 15 07-27-2006 07:30 PM
Augusta Controversy Bagger Lance The Masters 2006 25 04-10-2006 10:19 PM
Augusta birdie_man John Riegger's TOUR Talk 0 03-09-2006 12:40 AM
hitting with the longer clubs taustin Emergency Room - Hitters 4 04-29-2005 01:51 PM
Live video from Augusta Doug 2005 Masters 0 04-09-2005 11:16 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:48 AM.


Design by Vjacheslav Trushkin, color scheme by ColorizeIt!.