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Old 10-18-2005, 09:49 AM
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The book has several areas where what NOT to do are listed and discussed.

1. 3-F-7-A "Steering is the #1 malfunction."

2. Quitting

3. Bobbing

4. Swaying

5. Throwaway 6-D-O
a. Faulty Wrist Action
b. Overacceleration
c. Quitting

6. 6-H-O
* "Avoid disturbing the Delivery Line"
* "Avoid STARTING TO HIT when using a Snap Release"
* "Avoid a Bent Left Wrist"

Pick one or more and discuss HOW to FIX, SOLVE, OR CORRECT the problem.

One sentence in "SWAYING", I thought was interesting..."It is usually an attempt to replace the Pivot in working toward a Turn and a Weight Shift(7-12, 7-14)."

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Old 10-18-2005, 10:54 AM
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5b - Overacceleration. Solution - Pivot Controlled Hands.
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Old 10-18-2005, 11:52 AM
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Moe's Centered Head
Originally Posted by lagster

The book has several areas where what NOT to do are listed and discussed.

1. 3-F-7-A "Steering is the #1 malfunction."

2. Quitting

3. Bobbing

4. Swaying

5. Throwaway 6-D-O
a. Faulty Wrist Action
b. Overacceleration
c. Quitting

6. 6-H-O
* "Avoid disturbing the Delivery Line"
* "Avoid STARTING TO HIT when using a Snap Release"
* "Avoid a Bent Left Wrist"

Pick one or more and discuss HOW to FIX, SOLVE, OR CORRECT the problem.

One sentence in "SWAYING", I thought was interesting..."It is usually and attempt to replace the Pivot in working toward a Turn and a Weight Shift(7-12, 7-14)."
I'll pick two: Bobbing and Swaying.

The cure for both is to keep your Head Stationary from Impact Fix -- where the Head Location is established prior to assuming an Adjusted Address -- to at least to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position).

Per 1-L-21, "The relations of all Machine positions and motions can be described by a geometric figure." And the relationship of the Head to the Feet is a Triangle. Ideally, it is an isoceles triangle with the Centered Head at the peak of the triangle. It is not a right triangle (which is what you get when you tilt your spine to the right in an exaggerated attempt to 'put your head over your right knee and get behind the ball.'

How do you learn to do this? You do it and do it and do it while you look, look, LOOK to make sure you are staying steady. Use a mirror in drill and your shadow on the Practice Ground.

The Moe Norman sequence below illustrates the correct triangular concept. Moe never Sways the peak of his Triangle -- either right or left -- from Address through the Follow-Through. However, proving the rule that nobody is perfect, note that he does Bob -- he lowers his Head -- through Impact. He does so because his Knee Bend increases as he moves into Impact. He could have solved this problem by establishing his Impact Head Location as part of his Address Routine, but like most players, he did not.

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Old 10-18-2005, 12:25 PM
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Overacceleration And The Hand-Controlled Pivot
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5b - Overacceleration. Solution - Pivot Controlled Hands.
I know what you are saying here, MJ, but your post may fog concepts for those without your advanced knowledge and ultimate refinement of the movement.

The Golfing Machine® System of precision alignments mandates Hand Controlled Pivot, not the other way around. That does not prevent the Pivot from Loading the Lag during Start Down and setting up the entire Centrifugal Downstroke Release Sequence (which I believe is the point you are trying to make). Indeed, this is exactly what should occur in the full Stroke.

However, at all times, the Hands monitor the On Plane Clubhead Lag and thereby control the Pivot and its Motion. In fact, Overacceleration and its inevitable Clubhead Throwaway always "disregards the Hands" (6-D-1).
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Yoda...Please elaborate... Over acceleration is a menace that dissipates all lag and drag....we need more...please provide more nutrition than the above post!!!
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:29 PM
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Over-Acceleration Piece On The Way
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Yoda...Please elaborate... Over acceleration is a menace that dissipates all lag and drag....we need more...please provide more nutrition than the above post!!!
It's a 'biggie', Annikan. I'm really pushed for time now, but I will include a discussion of this most important point -- in fact, the #3 Pressure Point (pun intended)! -- when I write my Yoda's Corner piece entitled The Secret of Golf. Should be out in the next couple of days.
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:44 PM
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I know what you are saying here, MJ, but your post may fog concepts for those without your advanced knowledge and ultimate refinement of the movement.

The Golfing Machine® System of precision alignments mandates Hand Controlled Pivot, not the other way around. That does not prevent the Pivot from Loading the Lag during Start Down and setting up the entire Centrifugal Downstroke Release Sequence (which I believe is the point you are trying to make). Indeed, this is exactly what should occur in the full Stroke.

However, at all times, the Hands monitor the On Plane Clubhead Lag and thereby control the Pivot and its Motion. In fact, Overacceleration and its inevitable Clubhead Throwaway always "disregards the Hands" (6-D-1).
My point is that most cannot "passively aim" the hands. Their tendency to independently move the hands is inate, so to put their minds in their hands only encourages this fault. Get their minds out of their hands, so that the pivot only moves them. They must get the physics of the CF Swing correct, first and foremost.

To see this, look at Ben's lesson - he tells the student that he's still "adding", but then tells him that the answer is aiming point, which only makes it worse!

However, for Hitting, HCP aids and abets the thrusting right tricep.
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Old 10-18-2005, 06:14 PM
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I suggest you watch the video of HK several times.
HK is directing his hands not passively directing his hands
ala the pivot. HK's swing I presume was modeled from his swinging pattern.
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Old 10-18-2005, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
My point is that most cannot "passively aim" the hands. Their tendency to independently move the hands is inate, so to put their minds in their hands only encourages this fault. Get their minds out of their hands, so that the pivot only moves them. They must get the physics of the CF Swing correct, first and foremost.

To see this, look at Ben's lesson - he tells the student that he's still "adding", but then tells him that the answer is aiming point, which only makes it worse!

However, for Hitting, HCP aids and abets the thrusting right tricep.
As much as I'd like to disagree, I can't. I completely empathise with what you're saying.

To reconcile this "pivot-controlled-hands-controlled-pivot-hands-controlled-hands-pivot-hands -controlled-I-am-seriously-confused-about-what's-moving-what" problem, I go back to Homer's Three Lane Freeway -- namely The Three Zones of Chapter 9. Seen in this light, Ben Doyle is merely teaching the student the correct way to use their pivot in Zone #1 (9-1), which must be mastered before your Hands, Zone #3 (9-3), can do their job properly. This is not the same thing as Pivot Controlled Hands.
I believe the problem you mentioned is due to the fact the student's Zone #1 support wasn't good enough, and Ben moved onto Zone #3 a bit too soon with the Aiming Point Concept. The situation is exasperated when he uses Impact Hand Location to define Aiming Point. Zone #3 is only as good as its Zone #1/2 support. The caveat to this is that Zone #3 must be coordinated with the other Zones as soon as possible.

Here's another way I look at it. There is nothing wrong with Pivot Controlled Hands if it's seen as a transitional undertaking or a stepping stone for the ultimate Hands Controlled Pivot procedure. It's a good way to train the Pivot. It makes your Pivot more sensitive to alignments and more educated. I call it 'Educated Pivot'. So when you hand the job back to the Hands, it's actually got something worth controlling -- an Educated Pivot.

These are just my thoughts which may deviate from the 'pure Homer Kelly' school of thought. Gotta make up your own mind at the end of the day!
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Old 10-18-2005, 10:17 PM
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A Hands-Contrtolled System
Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
Get their minds out of their hands, so that the pivot only moves them. They must get the physics of the CF Swing correct, first and foremost.
As I said in my post, I knew this was your point. And, to an extent, I do not disagree. But, those Hands still need to know exactly what to do while that Pivot is controlling them! However, to blatantly call the 'solution' to Overacceleration 'Pivot Controlled Hands' is winning the battle but losing the war.

The great benefit of the The Golfing Machine® is the pidgeon-holes -- the independent and interdependent identities -- it offers for the 24 Components and their 144 Component Variations. These constitute the Engineering System that will ultimately be Translated into the Feel System.

And that Feel System is monitored and controlled by the Hands.
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