right wrist cock

[ChrisNZ]

It's obviously key to an orthodox TGM stroke that the right wrist remain level throughout. Help me clear some fog... once I've bent my right wrist, is cocking it the same as rotating my right forearm anticlockwise (from my point of view - that is inwards)?

Thanks!

Chris

[tongzilla]

No, it isn't the same. What you've described is a Rolling action.

[ChrisNZ]

Am I anatomically challenged?

I don't see how I can cock a bent right wrist other than by rolling my forearm, or at least wrist. If I cock my right wrist and then bend it, I seem to end up in exactly the same position as if I bend my (level) right wrist and then roll my forearm slightly.

Hmmmm.

Chris

[lagster]

Am I anatomically challenged?

I don't see how I can cock a bent right wrist other than by rolling my forearm, or at least wrist. If I cock my right wrist and then bend it, I seem to end up in exactly the same position as if I bend my (level) right wrist and then roll my forearm slightly.

Hmmmm.

Chris

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Rest your right forearm on a table... and see if you get the same result when you do as described above.

[Mike O]

It's obviously key to an orthodox TGM stroke that the right wrist remain level throughout. Help me clear some fog... once I've bent my right wrist, is cocking it the same as rotating my right forearm anticlockwise (from my point of view - that is inwards)?

Thanks!

Chris

Chris,

Cocking the right wrist with forearm pronation is not the same as forearm pronation without cocking the right wrist, although very close in nature- merely by definition they are not the same. However, you're correct in that both movements create very similar ending locations.

Now looking at the mechanics of what you describe- not during the golf swing but with your right forearm resting on the table.
Cocking is on the plane of the hand alignment. So with an arched right wrist - cocking the right wrist produces little to no movement in the forearm for the first few degrees of wristcock and then produces supination of the forearm in the later stages of wristcock. With the wrist flat produces no movement in the first portion of the wristcock but produces pronation in the later stages of the wristcock. And finally what your noticing is that with the right wrist bent cocking produces no movement in the forearm for the first few degrees and then produces pronation of the forearm during the rest of the motion.

[Julian]

I am new to this forum and are still yet to read TGM so maybe my comment will be redundant.

One problem with golf instruction seems to be an ambiguity of terms. From reviews I have read to date TGM seeems very technical which I think sounds great as this simplifies rather than complicates things.

I think one should be technical with biomechanical terms and avoid terms such as wrist cock.

In biomechanics the wrist can flex, extend or abduct (radially or ulnaward). It can of course do a combination of these motions.

With ones elbow at 90 degrees and forearm and palm on a flat surface (palm down) extension lifts the palm off the surface , flexion is the opposite, radial adbuction moves the palm to the thumb side and ulna abduction to the little finger side.

The forearm rotates on its axis (which is the middle finger with some exceptions). Pronation is palm down, supernation palm up. One can fake forearm rotation by rotating at the shoulder.

Anyway I think descriptions would be easier if there was a consistent use of terms.

This is probably covered in TGM and I am looking forward to the read.

I assume the commonly refered to wrist cock is in fact radial abduction with the wrist in neutral flexion/extension.

Just my thoughts

Julian

[ChrisNZ]

I am new to this forum and are still yet to read TGM so maybe my comment will be redundant.

One problem with golf instruction seems to be an ambiguity of terms. From reviews I have read to date TGM seeems very technical which I think sounds great as this simplifies rather than complicates things. Julian

Hi Julian,

to quote the golfing machine on simplicity "Treating a complex subject or action as though it were simple, multiplies its complexity because of the difficulty in systematizing missing or unknown factors or elements. Demanding that golf instruction be kept simple does not make it simple-only incomplete and ineffective. Unless this is recognized, golf remains a vague, frustrating, infuriating form of exertion."

TGM is pretty careful with it's definitions: wrist cock equates to radial abduction, an uncocked wrist is in pretty much maximum ulnaward abduction. TGM also defines a level wrist - for me at least, this isn't the natural levelness of my wrist (it feels slightly uncocked) - I believe the check (at least when your wrist is flat) is that the area between your wrist and the knuckle where your thumb connects your hand (I could do with anatomical terms here!) is in a straight line with your forearm.

The key for TGM is that (for a usual stroke) your left wrist cocks on the backswing, returns to level at impact, and uncocks past impact. The left wrist never bends or arches (extends or flexes). Your right wrist never cocks, it stays level throughout, bends (extension?), and stays bent, at least until both arms are straight past impact.

My point in starting this thread was whether once you have extension in your right wrist, radial abduction is so limited that right wrist cock would amount to forearm rotation. I think Mike O is probably right though, that you can cock a bent right wrist minimally before your forearm starts to rotate (by the way, I didn't want to know this in order to do it, more wanted to knw it in order to check I wasn't doing it!!)

On a side note (and sorry for the long post) - I especially want to welcome Julian because he is my brother. Julian contacted me a fortnight ago, in despair (I don't think that is too stronger word) about his golf game. He even mentioned those unthinkable words "I'm considering giving the game away". Faced with this situation, I rushed him a CDRom with some of the videos from this site (I hope its OK to use the videos this way - obviously it was an emergency!!!). I told him to watch the Tomasello Myrtle Beach tape in particular, because this has helped me so much. End result - for the two last nines Julian has played (nine hole rounds due to young twins in the family), he has wiped about ten strokes off what he was scoring! Also, he has been 'converted' to the magic of the golfing machine!

Welcome aboard bro! ,
Chris