Hi There,
I am new to this website, and have not yet read the TGM book. I couldn't find one in any store so I had to order it. I have a couple of questions for those with more experience.
1) How do you tell if you are naturally a swinger or a hitter? I am asking because I believe that I may have fallen on the dark side and am actually trying to learn things about my swing which are going against my nature. I don't want to prejudice the answers from any of you by telling you any more about myself.
2) Are there any TGM'ers in the Temecula, Ca area that I could meet up with. I know a couple of disciples in Palm Springs, but my work and school keep me from getting out there very often.
3) What do you do with someone who wants to learn this who has VERY bad knees and a bad back? Is it possible to still learn TGM?
Thanks in advance for prompt and interested replies
Most people start like you are, learning the basics and knowing intuitively that it is correct. Then trying to figure out how to apply what is being learned. There is a lot of information on swinging and hitting in this forum, and some threads specific to your question. Try a search and see what you come up with.
You can learn and apply TGM principles to a specific physical issue. TGM is not a method of swinging or hitting, it's a system for matching your personal components into a compatible whole.
Enjoy the journey, you've picked a great place to start the learning process.
Bagger,
Thank you for the info. I will do a search. A little quick background here. I played to a +2 as a young man (16-18 ), took a chopper door through the back of my legs in 'Nam in '72, have rebuilt my swing a couple of times since as issues from that injury have added to my issues However, every day above ground is a good one. Not looking for anything except a way to continue to play this marvelous game. I still play to about a 9, but know, with some consistency returning, I can be back down to 3-4 easily. I have the desire, but have wandered in the forest long enough. "There is no TRYING, there is only DOING", I have been in TRYING mode way too long.
Here's to the journey and looking forward to the enlightenment.
...How do you tell if you are naturally a swinger or a hitter? I am asking because I believe that I may have fallen on the dark side and am actually trying to learn things about my swing which are going against my nature.
...What do you do with someone who wants to learn this who has VERY bad knees and a bad back? Is it possible to still learn TGM?
Welcome aboard, Fred, and thanks for your recent posts. Keep'em comin'! I'll let everybody else chime in on this one, but here are a few thoughts for you.
Regarding your 'natural' Hitter or Swinger question, most people start out as Hitters. Quite simply, they pick up the Club and they hit 'at' the Ball. It's a very natural, right-sided thing. [Note: For simplicity and precision, TGM is expressed in right-sided terms and left-handers learn to transpose.] TGM embraces that natural tendency and -- Hitting or Swinging -- assigns control of both Clubhead Acceleration and Clubshaft Plane Line Tracing to the Right Hand and Forearm. The Left Arm is essentially inert and participates by default as the Radius Power of the Stroke. Clubface control is assigned to the Flat Left Wrist and its Hinge Action. Hence, the TGM dictum: Right Hand -- Clubhead. Left Hand -- Clubface.
Again, this division of responsibilities applies to both Hitters and Swingers. The 'fork in the road' that separates the two lies in how each chooses to drive the Club through Impact. If you choose to Push it through with Right Arm Muscle Power (Right Triceps), you are Hitting. If you choose to Pull it through with Left Arm Centrifugal Power (Body Momentum Transfer) you are Swinging. Both ways can be equally effective, and as your post hints, the player's choice may ultimately be determined by psycholocial preference.
The problem we have is that, once you get through the basics of grip, stance and posture, almost all conventional golf instruction is written for the Swinger. And there are quite a few Component Variations that are ideal for the Swinger but that don't transfer particularly well to the Hitter. Hence, the nether world of the Switter.
Bottom-lining now to your question, I would first determine what you are currently doing. If your Stroke tends to be shorter and 'stiffer' and you drive your Right Arm against the back of the Shaft as if it were an axe handle, you are leaning toward Hitting. If, on the other hand, your Stroke is longer and 'free-er' and you whirl the Clubhead about you as if it were attached to the end of a rope, you are leaning toward Swinging. Either way, you'll help yourself a lot if you get in touch with that Right Forearm and its sense of Acceleration during the Release Interval.
Regarding bad Legs and good Golf, look no further than the real world example of Ben Hogan. He played his greatest golf after the automobile accident that basically destroyed his legs. Now far less mobile and usually wrapped in bandages below the knee, his Legs -- the Feet and Knees -- became his Anchors. All unnecessary motion was eliminated, and they became the stable base of his super-efficient Golfing Machine.
Let me introduce myself to you. I live in Menifee Next to Menifee Lakes golf course. I had a major operations 6 years ago, I to was wondering how can I play in my condition and my friend Lead me to well known AI and Now I am a Swinger with effortless power. If You like I would be more then happy to kick around with you at any range around are communities. Just reply back or you can call me at 951-318-6762 cell phone. Then we can bust out the flying wedges and Have Lots of good old jaw chewing conversations
Hi There, I not only live in Hemet, I am an asst pro at Temecula Creek Inn. Chances are I can get us a few tee times here and there.... drop me a private message and we will figure out how and when.
Fred
ps Whoever that is in Canyon Lake, come on down.....
I got to studying the videos. BTW YODA, the #3 video lesson in your series is a corrupted file... Anyway, went out to the range this AM and started experimenting with some things. I have been playing the ball very far back in my stance. This is due to some adjustments I have been making to take the strain off my back. From Yoda's description I am more of a hitter than a swinger. LARGE hands and very strong hands (12-string guitarist for 45 years). So, anyway, before my back went out and I started down another path, I used to play the ball up in my stance. I did that today, as an experiment, from watching the Doyle tapes. Amazing, I hit most everything dead flush. I will know tomorrow if my back will handle what did, but until then I am very happy.
Need to work on creating more lag, but that will come with some good instruction from the fine folks here.
The AI That I have been to see so far are: Ben Doyle, Gregg Mchatton, Chuck Evans, I would of like to seen Yoda when he was down here at Beumont however I was not able to make it. I have been studing the Lille yellow book for quite some time now. Hope to meet up with some neighbor around here. I thought I was the only follower around this parts. Boy I was really wrong. I was at Murrieta golf Range and was watching his movement and I was right, he was taught by Gregg Mchatton, Bill Mckinney he also a golf instructor for them. Any way glad to have meet both of you. As soon as the time is right we should Play somewhere. Are you in?
However, every day above ground is a good one. Not looking for anything except a way to continue to play this marvelous game. I still play to about a 9, but know, with some consistency returning, I can be back down to 3-4 easily. I have the desire, but have wandered in the forest long enough. "There is no TRYING, there is only DOING", I have been in TRYING mode way too long.
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