Roll on the line

[stilltrying]

After uncocking the left wrist, is the roll of the left arm an action of it's own? or a result of the pivot? To clarify the question, if I stand with my palm to the plane line I can either rotate my left arm on it's own, shoulders parallel to the target line, or I can turn my shoulders to rotate.

[Yoda]

After uncocking the left wrist, is the roll of the left arm an action of it's own? or a result of the pivot? To clarify the question, if I stand with my palm to the plane line I can either rotate my left arm on it's own, shoulders parallel to the target line, or I can turn my shoulders to rotate.

The rotation of the Body and the natural swinging of the Arms imparts the Hinge Motion to the Hands and Clubface. The Flat Left Wrist then individualizes this Motion into one of the three distinct Hinge Actions (Horizontal, Vertical or Angled) and the Clubface respectively Closes only, Lays Back only, or simultaneously Closes and Lays Back. If there is no Body Rotation, then only the Arms are reponsible for the Hinge Motion.

If there is Wrist Action independent of Arm Motion -- the Flat Left Wrist does not stay vertical to one of the three Basic Planes -- then there is a Swivel Action. Swingers find the Swivel useful in Start Up, during Release and as the bridge from the Follow-Through to the Finish. Hitters normally use only the Finish Swivel. For both Swingers and Hitters, Impact executed as a Swivel Action -- and not a Hinge Action -- is improper Execution and results in fleeting Impact alignments.

[6bmike]

For both Swingers and Hitters, Impact executed as a Swivel Action -- and not a Hinge Action -- is improper Execution and results in fleeting Impact alignments.

I want to emphasize something Annikan helped me see better. Don’t mistake the swivel after impact as a hinge action. It is too easy to go from impact to wrist swivel without executing the proper hinge motion of the hinge pin in the left shoulder.

[EdZ]

Impact executed as Swivel Action is basically a sign you are out of Rhythm.

Enter extensor action, to 'smooth out' the HEAVY motion and get the RPM's in synch.

For me, the 'feel' of proper horizontal hinge action is, well, a 'horizontal' feeling. The frisbee toss.

[12 piece bucket]

1.The rotation of the Body and the natural swinging of the Arms imparts the Hinge Motion to the Hands and Clubface.

2. The Flat Left Wrist then individualizes this Motion into one of the three distinct Hinge Actions (Horizontal, Vertical or Angled)

and the Clubface respectively Closes only, Lays Back only, or simultaneously Closes and Lays Back. If there is no Body Rotation, then only the Arms are reponsible for the Hinge Motion.

Doctor Collards,

Could we explore the above a bit further? Is the Pivot the catalyst for Hinge Action? If so, would it follow that the Pivot is different for different Hinge Motions?

Or are you saying it imparts the motion to the arms and then the Left Arm Flying Wedge (or Left Wrist) executes the 3 different Hinge Actions?

Thank you sir!

B

[tls2351]

In light of Yoda's post, I just like to run by the group what I seem to be feeling during my at-home swing practice of late. If this is correct, than it moots the question I posed in the swinger's forum and, more or less, my earlier question in this forum.

When the club is at waist height during the downswing, I begin to rotate the back of my left hand so that it is perpendicular to the target line. I experience this as a distinctively hands/forearm motion, although my hips continue to rotate around and my arms continue to swing along the swing plane.

I try to continue this feeling of hands/forearm rotation into impact, trying to feel as if my knuckles on my left hand are dragging along the ground (a manzella image, I think). Through impact, I continue to rotate my hips and swing my arms through to straight, so that at straight, the back of my left hand is now parallel to the target line and perpendicular to an imaginary horizontal line in front of me.

Past this point, I feel my right hand overtake my left, so that the palm of my right hand points toward the ground (at an angle) and the palm of my left hand points toward the sky (at an angle). At this point my right wrist is almost flat and my left has a bit, but not much, of a bend. From this point I just swing the triangle formed by my two arms and chest up over my left shoulder into a finish.

Is this basically how its done? After Edz's response to my query in the swingers forum I realized that, as an instructor pointed out to me two summers ago, I still was not allowing my forearms to roll into impact and was susceptible to blocks. I haven't had the opportunity to hit some balls since working on the motion described above, but it seems like by focusing on that rotation of the forearm/left hand into the ball I finally feel as if I'm squaring the club into "impact." Last season, I found myself using a lot of shoulders and spine to square the club and hit a draw, which resulted in what must have looked like an ugly and no doubt painful finish position. While the feeling of rotation and knuckles dragging continues through impact, my initial post-impact movement feels like my left arm is extending outward while the club still rolls closed.

I know this is a lot of verbage, but since I feel as if I'm at the point of a breakthrough, and in light of Yoda's post on the distinction between swiveling and hinging through impact, I want to make sure I've got this right. Apologies of the description of what I'm feeling during my swing is incomprehenisble to those other than me.

[EdZ]

You are on the right track. The smoother you make your motion, the better, but you are well on your way to avoiding 'steering'. The feel of 'dragging' the back of the left hand with rotation - Hogan, page 102. The 'wet mop' feel of lag pressure. Feeling the lag pressure points in the hands. and being ready, DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP for ON LINE HINGE ACTION (see 12-3-0).

As Yoda put it... Are you ready to ROLL on that line?

[danny_shank]

To go from a sweep release to a snap release must you train your left hand to roll faster to square the clubface?

Also are there any differences to the rolling action of the left arm for release types? For example for a snap release is any arching of the left wrist allowed/recommended to square the clubface?

Cheers,

Danny