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Old 06-09-2007, 10:23 PM
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There is CLUBHEAD LAG, ACCUMULATOR LAG, and PIVOT LAG. ACCUMULATOR LAG and PIVOT LAG are big deals, but I believe CLUBHEAD LAG is the main "secret of golf". Tom Weiskopf and Greg Norman, for examples, do not have much of a LATE HIT(#2 ACCUMULATOR LAG), but do have Clubhead Lag, or we would never have heard of them.

All tour players have CLUBHEAD LAG. They may not be able to describe Clubhead Lag, and may not even be very aware of it, but they have IT, whether they know it or not. They load the shaft and clubhead(stressed shaft), and sustain the lag at least until impact. They just have IT, most of them probably inately.

The TGM, and MORAD trained teachers seem to be among the best in the world at teaching golfers to acquire CLUBHEAD LAG.

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Old 06-11-2007, 04:52 AM
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Constant acceleration.
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There is CLUBHEAD LAG, ACCUMULATOR LAG, and PIVOT LAG. ACCUMULATOR LAG and PIVOT LAG are big deals, but I believe CLUBHEAD LAG is the main "secret of golf". Tom Weiskopf and Greg Norman, for examples, do not have much of a LATE HIT(#2 ACCUMULATOR LAG), but do have Clubhead Lag, or we would never have heard of them.

All tour players have CLUBHEAD LAG. They may not be able to describe Clubhead Lag, and may not even be very aware of it, but they have IT, whether they know it or not. They load the shaft and clubhead(stressed shaft), and sustain the lag at least until impact. They just have IT, most of them probably inately.

The TGM, and MORAD trained teachers seem to be among the best in the world at teaching golfers to acquire CLUBHEAD LAG.
They might not know it. But they sure can make constant acceleration to the clubhead or swing it smoothly, regardless of the swing speed. Yet, it's a lot easier to do it, if you know the "secret".
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YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn.
Bend the shaft.
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Old 06-11-2007, 10:07 AM
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You know, sometimes you never know.
I had a student that just was not able to apply the concept of Clubhead Lag. They understood the The Essence, had studied, 6-C-2-A, but were not able to execute it.

I finally said to him, "Stop trying to take the Clubface at the Ball". The Clubface is for Direction (Purpose) and Accuracy, not Force and Power. He looked at me, like he had just been hit up side the head with a Lagging Clubhead. Instantly, he was able to grasp the concept. I don't like to use negative orders, but sometimes you never know what goes on inside the "Grey Matter".
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Old 06-11-2007, 11:21 AM
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The player must be able to sense the Stressed Clubshaft through (usually the #3 Pressure Point). What about the shaft itself(flex, frequency, weight, etc.)? How much of a factor do you think this is in being able to produce, sense and sustain CLUBHEAD LAG?
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Old 06-11-2007, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by drewitgolf View Post
I had a student that just was not able to apply the concept of Clubhead Lag. They understood the The Essence, had studied, 6-C-2-A, but were not able to execute it.

I finally said to him, "Stop trying to take the Clubface at the Ball". The Clubface is for Direction (Purpose) and Accuracy, not Force and Power. He looked at me, like he had just been hit up side the head with a Lagging Clubhead. Instantly, he was able to grasp the concept. I don't like to use negative orders, but sometimes you never know what goes on inside the "Grey Matter".

Every freakin' week you flat knock one outtadapahk!!! You are a damn wizard of words, ruler of rap, not soft, not sucker, could never be a sap . . .

The above statement is PURE genius!!!

Tell us how you get people to "dismiss" the clubface please sir. You is one of the greatest Machinist of ALL time . . .
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:04 PM
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Per Kelley, until the secret is mastered, "nothing esle matters."
So for all questions: "What is most important?" or "Given limited time, what should I focus on? (in BOTH understanding and application)?", Kelley answers the questions in no uncertain terms.
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:33 PM
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Clubface Lag!
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Tell us how you get people to "dismiss" the clubface please sir.
I won't say dismiss the Clubface, just put it in the Zone it was intended to be in. "The Zones are a natural division of the action and their identities must be maintained", said Mr. Kelley. I still like Hinge Action in Zone 3 (my opinion only); Ball Contol and direction. The Clubface makes three Actions, that is it. It isn't meant to be in Zone 2 (again my opinion). But when you are throwing the Clubface at the ball you are putting it there; along with a host of other undesirables. So in this case it wasn't just Clubhead Lag, but "Clubface Lag" (for lack of a better term) executing a Hinge Action; Left Hand Clubface, Right Hand Clubhead.
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Old 06-11-2007, 02:01 PM
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If your builing a house, do you first worry about puting a roof over your head, or doing the landscaping?

Per Kelley, the SECRET, with knowledge of plane line tracing, is general direction control.

Zone 3 is finesse direction control.

With understanding, a person will realize that it is not logical to first focus on the clubface (obviously NOT talking about the simple act of initially aiming the clubface - certainly you'd want to concern yourself with this). It is likely the person will want to act in a logical fashion.
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Old 06-11-2007, 07:38 PM
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So zone 2 is the clubhead and zone 3 is the clubface. Even though PP3 is in zone 3 it only senses the clubhead, while the motion of the arms should control the clubhead ? This is cool, thanks Drew.
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Old 06-11-2007, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by drewitgolf View Post
I won't say dismiss the Clubface, just put it in the Zone it was intended to be in. "The Zones are a natural division of the action and their identities must be maintained", said Mr. Kelley. I still like Hinge Action in Zone 3 (my opinion only); Ball Contol and direction. The Clubface makes three Actions, that is it. It isn't meant to be in Zone 2 (again my opinion). But when you are throwing the Clubface at the ball you are putting it there; along with a host of other undesirables. So in this case it wasn't just Clubhead Lag, but "Clubface Lag" (for lack of a better term) executing a Hinge Action; Left Hand Clubface, Right Hand Clubhead.
But you do dismiss the clubHEAD no? via hit the ball with the pressure points?

Do you think a Swinger with all the Swivels using a Snap Release can focus on Hinge Action? Or does he just bring his Left Wrist in FLV and let CF do its thang?
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