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Old 11-23-2006, 12:01 PM
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Once you have completed your backstroke and your left wrist is fully cocked, do you keep your left wrist cocked with left arm muscular effort during the downstroke until release? Years ago I once asked my AI this because he was empasizing loose and supple wrists. He said no! I don't think I believe him.

When I begin my downstroke with a fully cocked left wrist, I get immediate throw away especially with extensor action being applied. I feel the lag only on the shortest of short chip shots. Are loose and supple wrists just golf digest bs? Sorry for the rant. Whatever the answer is, it is probably obvious to those who can sustain the lag. For those of us shooting 90 or above ( which must be 98% of golfdom) it's not so obvious.

To recap, should muscular left arm effort be used to sustain the left wrist cock during the downstroke? Yea or Nay?
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Old 11-23-2006, 12:59 PM
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Nay.

Assuming you are a swinger, I'd guess that you are starting down too slow.
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Old 11-23-2006, 01:09 PM
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I'm definately in the NAY camp.
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Old 11-23-2006, 01:39 PM
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Feel as though you "leave" the clubhead at the top during startdown. Use your right shoulder to move your right forearm and clubshaft downplane towards the ball. Left arm muscular effort is going to create tension, which isn't good in this case at all.

How are you feeling extensor action? That is, through PP1 or PP3? What does it feel like to you? If you're drag loading correctly, the startdown should load the lag and the left wrist should want to remain cocked into the downstroke.
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Old 11-23-2006, 03:41 PM
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Listen to Matt. Good stuff.

Extensor Action is a straight line, Inline pulling action. It has no other dimension except outward in a straight line. It should have little effect of the uncocking of the left wrist. It nevers moves the left arm to the ball.

Let's go back to the pivot. The pivot moves the hands. The hands do not move the hands. Let them enjoy the start of the down stroke with a free ride courtesy of the pivot it designed to do much of the work. Like Matt said- leave them alone.
After the hip action of the pivot loads the right shoulder the hands are free drive downward, ahead of the clubhead to ‘sustain the lag.’
As long as the clubhead lags behind the hands, the wrist is fine. You may have too much thought in the clubhead and not the hands.
You can sweep throw or snap throw but let the pivot do its job for the hands by taking out the slack and loading the right shoulder to hit or swing.

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Old 11-23-2006, 08:00 PM
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mike,

i try hard to drive right shoulder too the ball, all the way down down down, not saying its correct my way at all, but would you suggest only a 'short' thrust down plane then hands takeover? is that what i am to understand?

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Old 11-27-2006, 10:09 PM
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throwaway v.s. lag and long shot v.s. shout chip
Originally Posted by sustainthelag
Once you have completed your backstroke and your left wrist is fully cocked, do you keep your left wrist cocked with left arm muscular effort during the downstroke until release? Years ago I once asked my AI this because he was empasizing loose and supple wrists. He said no! I don't think I believe him.

When I begin my downstroke with a fully cocked left wrist, I get immediate throw away especially with extensor action being applied. I feel the lag only on the shortest of short chip shots. Are loose and supple wrists just golf digest bs? Sorry for the rant. Whatever the answer is, it is probably obvious to those who can sustain the lag. For those of us shooting 90 or above ( which must be 98% of golfdom) it's not so obvious.

To recap, should muscular left arm effort be used to sustain the left wrist cock during the downstroke? Yea or Nay?
Yes, definitely!!!!

How're you gonna pull against something ("lag" ideally) without muscular effort, not just the left arm, but every skeletal one.

The reason you can't "sustain it" is because you are so eager to make it fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far") , instead of sustaining it, that you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip.

You can (sustain it), if you intend to. Can't find any better example than the above, if that's not obvious enough.
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