So I played well all winter, went for a lesson in March, very happy with it I have to say.
My problem is that my draw has left me.
I 'feel' like I'm doing everything right but instead of the ball curving right to left as it has done all my golfing life, the ball is starting right and going further right.
Throw in the odd dreadful over the top straight left shot trying to fight the rights and you have a wreck of a golfer.
Tonight I decided I just had to play with a fade and aimed left expecting it to fade and guess what, it goes straight where I aimed it.
Only two balls left so I set up for a fade (as it felt to me) but at the last moment said to myself (hit a sweet draw) and I bombed two perfect shots.
My question is this (and it will be largely answered in tomorrow am's practice session):
Does it soumd like my setup is got completely out of whack? Is what feels open to me, really square? I realise this will be answered tomorrow and also that without pictures/video its an impossible answer.
I guess I'm just venting! I'll hopefully answer my own question tomorrow and post it here. If its still bad I'll get video up.
__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
So I played well all winter, went for a lesson in March, very happy with it I have to say.
My problem is that my draw has left me.
I 'feel' like I'm doing everything right but instead of the ball curving right to left as it has done all my golfing life, the ball is starting right and going further right.
Throw in the odd dreadful over the top straight left shot trying to fight the rights and you have a wreck of a golfer.
Tonight I decided I just had to play with a fade and aimed left expecting it to fade and guess what, it goes straight where I aimed it.
Only two balls left so I set up for a fade (as it felt to me) but at the last moment said to myself (hit a sweet draw) and I bombed two perfect shots.
My question is this (and it will be largely answered in tomorrow am's practice session):
Does it soumd like my setup is got completely out of whack? Is what feels open to me, really square? I realise this will be answered tomorrow and also that without pictures/video its an impossible answer.
I guess I'm just venting! I'll hopefully answer my own question tomorrow and post it here. If its still bad I'll get video up.
Bottom line if you ain't drawing it you're path ain't to the right of where the face is looking. I'd say your "over the top pull" is likely a "face pull." Straight pushes would be swing out with the face matching the path . . . . so it sounds like you need to check where the club is "exiting" . . . are you swinging way "low to high" on the thru side? Also . . . check to see if your head is coming "up and away" from the plane line.
That pull is probably due to the face flashing with the path out to the right . . .
Your mention of "over the top" given the "rights" is interesting to me. I had this tendency going on and it must be stopped as its a compression ruiner. Its founded in a misconception often........it was for me anyways. Here is what I mean.
-I was a new Hitter and experiencing Angled Hinging and the associated Push Fade , fall off to the right tendency for the first time. Something I hadnt seen in my own game for decades being a life long hitter of draws and other more profound curvatures to the left.
-Given the old axiom of the ball starting off in the direction the clubhead is traveling (.......something Homer opposed vehemently, which is now confirmed by Trackman), I put a subconscious pull on the ball to straighten out the push. Homer maintained that the ball leaves at right angles to the FACE and curves in a manner consistent with the divergence between face angle and clubhead path.
- So two wrongs. Open face, cross line , out to in pull. Remember the Line of Compression for a straight line shot, given the angled plane and a ball placed back of low point is................in to out, cross line. To a degree depending on how far back of low point the ball is placed and the steepness of the plane angle. The more vertical the plane the more down and the less out , the less out to right field the Line Of Compression. Also the Hinge Action associated with total compression is Horizontal. No layback, closing only. Which means for the ball to head straight away it must separate from the face when it is pointing in that direction ..........so the face is therefore open at Impact.
-the attempt to square up the face at impact and pull the clubhead path to the left to fix a pull is common but founded in a mis conception about the laws of ball flight.
-throwing the clubface at the ball is another common "fix" that can set you back a month or so. A loss of the flat left wrist. Three wrongs. Oh the suffering.
So as Bucket states a push is a FACE angle issue. Not a Clubhead path thing. Get back on the Line of Compression, "in to out" with a straight line base line, Arc or Angle of Approach, the Visual EQuivalents. 2-J-3 and 2-C-0. Keep swinging out till your divots point at the hole. Then check your Hinge Action and your clubface at Fix. Thrusting will tend towards to Angled which may require a slightly closed face at Fix. Or perhaps you are Swinging but have slipped into not gripping the club at Fix and are unknowingly adopting a square face at Adjusted which gives you an open face at Impact.......There is something like this going on I bet.
Thanks everyone for replying (and guru for the email).
First off, I agree, I need to post some video. I have no doubt the right answer is in here.
One thing I would like to tell you (cos I'm proud as hell of it) is that, as Jack said, I 'danced with the partner I brung' today! At the range before the game, the same issues were repeating. Ball position is good, alignments (certainly feet) are good. The same problem appeared though. I decided to go at it all day with a fade and guess what, I shot 68, 1 under par.
I am by no means saying this is resolved, I'm just delighted to be able to know I've a problem and work round it and shoot a score.
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its definitely a shoulder issue, confirmed by an old teaching pro of mine who was caddying for me in a match last night.
I was watching alignmnet golf the other night and I know the right shoulder is not moving down the plane line after getting into a great position at the top. Not sure if I should be drilling the start down waggle (to be honest I don't know how to perform it) or Yoda's 'shoot the plane line'.
Either way its confused in my head.
__________________ The student senses his teacher’s steadfast belief and quiet resolve: “This is doable. It is doable by you. The pathway is there. All you need is determination and time.” And together, they make it happen.
its definitely a shoulder issue, confirmed by an old teaching pro of mine who was caddying for me in a match last night.
I was watching alignmnet golf the other night and I know the right shoulder is not moving down the plane line after getting into a great position at the top. Not sure if I should be drilling the start down waggle (to be honest I don't know how to perform it) or Yoda's 'shoot the plane line'.
Either way its confused in my head.
Do you have an video?
There are a lot of reasons the right shoulder might not behave.
At address is the right wrist level? Is the right forearm too high? Is the right hand too much on top (rolled)?
A quick drill, hit some shots with your right foot back off the line a lot, with a slightly narrow stance. That presets the right hip as cleared, and will show you if you have a hip collision issue, or a right forearm\grip issue.
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