"Summing up the Right Arm action-it is always a straight line effort and/or motion and normally is strictly clubhead control".
How does this square with a circle or arc type delivery path?
Are thrust direction and delivery path different?
I've never looked at the swing in terms of an endless belt as pictured in the delivery path photos so this is puzzling.
CW
Yes, Thrust direction and the path that the hands make on the plane are two different things. Likewise, the Thrust direction and the path the clubhead makes are two different things.
One example in regards to the Clubhead path- or "Delivery Line" - is at low point normally the right elbow is still bent. As the clubhead moves up and in after low point, the thrust continues down towards the plane line until both arms straight.
One example in regards to the Hands path- or "Delivery Path" - is his quote in the 6th edition page 83 the last sentence in section 1- "The Hands must ALWAYS take one of the Delivery Paths (10-23) but even with the Circle Path, the Thrust is still a straightline EFFORT toward the Aiming Point. And even "Tracing" (5-0) must not disrupt it.
I don't have the 7th edition in front of me- but I'm assuming that A) the quote you used is from the 7th edition? and I'd guess that B) It may have been added to or replaced part of the section that I quoted from the 6th edition.
Section 7-23 has some information that might help you on this also.
Yes, Thrust direction and the path that the hands make on the plane are two different things. Likewise, the Thrust direction and the path the clubhead makes are two different things.
One example in regards to the Clubhead path- or "Delivery Line" - is at low point normally the right elbow is still bent. As the clubhead moves up and in after low point, the thrust continues down towards the plane line until both arms straight.
One example in regards to the Hands path- or "Delivery Path" - is his quote in the 6th edition page 83 the last sentence in section 1- "The Hands must ALWAYS take one of the Delivery Paths (10-23) but even with the Circle Path, the Thrust is still a straightline EFFORT toward the Aiming Point. And even "Tracing" (5-0) must not disrupt it.
I don't have the 7th edition in front of me- but I'm assuming that A) the quote you used is from the 7th edition? and I'd guess that B) It may have been added to or replaced part of the section that I quoted from the 6th edition.
Section 7-23 has some information that might help you on this also.
That's a start
Thanks for the response. Yes the quote is from the 7th.
Where is thrust generated from?, or is there a focus area on the body that I can deliver to aiming point? I feel like I'm swinging but I haven't developed a stroke pattern yet.
Where is thrust generated from?, or is there a focus area on the body that I can deliver to aiming point?
CW
Generated from?
Full swing - ideally the pivot, however, also ideally monitored through pp#3 (answers your second question).
In otherwards, as the pivot unwinds (after the top) and the right shoulder moves towards the target, the hands then take the transference (is that a word?) and the shaft bends, placing pressure on (again ideally) your right forefinger.
Maintain that thrust...and direct it - to an aiming point - in front of, behind, whatever (trial and error) towards the planeline (or delivery line)....
Full swing - ideally the pivot, however, also ideally monitored through pp#3 (answers your second question).
In otherwards, as the pivot unwinds (after the top) and the right shoulder moves towards the target, the hands then take the transference (is that a word?) and the shaft bends, placing pressure on (again ideally) your right forefinger.
Maintain that thrust...and direct it - to an aiming point - in front of, behind, whatever (trial and error) towards the planeline (or delivery line)....
And wallah!
You justr pured it!
Thanks for the reply. I'm having trouble using PP3 to do anything really, right now I'm focused more on the "pull" feeling or rope handle toward the plane line, when I focus on PP3 I just get screwed up. Is there any issue with this?
On aiming point, I realize that its variable due to club length and hand speed etc, but I was looking for forum examples of what people are using to aim with and at i.e. aim PP3 to 2 inches behind with the driver,, again understanding that its variable.
Last question (for this post ) Visually speaking (line of sight to the aiming point), is the sweet spot the only thing that passes through the aiming point?
Thanks for the reply. I'm having trouble using PP3 to do anything really, right now I'm focused more on the "pull" feeling or rope handle toward the plane line, when I focus on PP3 I just get screwed up. Is there any issue with this? "The "pull" feeling ...toward the plane line"- that pull feeling is the pressure points- so you're fine. And Yes, if you just were to focus on pp#3 and ignore, delete, omit the rest of the motion- that can be a problem.
On aiming point, I realize that its variable due to club length and hand speed etc, but I was looking for forum examples of what people are using to aim with and at i.e. aim PP3 to 2 inches behind with the driver,, again understanding that its variable. Two "forum" thoughts: 1)My example- Directing that weight="lag"- at the ball (yes, with every club)- why? cause I'm not good enough to detect the difference! and maybe some other psychological reason- that's the practical application for me- however, as you mention I'm actually using different aiming points- I just don't consciously isolate them.2) For me- while I am "trying to hit the ball"- at any particular point in the downswing my sensation of the lag is that it is directed at a continuum of different points on the plane line starting from 4 feet behind the ball to 3 feet in front of the ball- A "rotating aiming point" concept. For example, say my aiming point is the ball- and if I'm at impact- I don't have the sensation that my lag pressure is directed at the ball- it's directed essentially down the plane line a couple of feet (7-2-3 "down the right forearm angle of approach)-In that regard- also keep in mind that whether subconsiously or consciously used- trying to get back to your impact hand location is a very good alternative to the aiming point procedure- in fact my guess would be that it's much more common than the aiming point procedure- we've all got lag- hopefully, and we all direct it somewhere at the plane line- hopefully, so those two facts don't necessarily mean that you're using an aiming point procedure- and in fact, you can mess your game up if you're using an impact hand location subconsciously but try to consciously use an aiming point procedure
Last question (for this post ) Visually speaking (line of sight to the aiming point), is the sweet spot the only thing that passes through the aiming point? Remember the aiming point is not the ball except for one club- so it's like a sand shot where you're aiming at a different point than the ball- therefore- normally the sweetspot on the clubface would not pass through the aiming point.
CW
CW- some rambling thoughts above- but certainly some important areas for future elaboration if you're really going to use some of these concepts for improvement of your golf game.
One final thought- regarding ANY Golfing Machine discussion. You're trying to take your hand to the coffee cup i.e. you're trying to take your hands up and down a certain plane- up and down at a certain angle (regardless if there are things that create plane angle shifts). All this other stuff-Flying Wedges, Aiming Point, etc. etc.- is what will, should or is happening- NOT what you're trying to do- UNLESS it's not happening and you're making corrections to the movement in order for it to happen I'd like everyone - especially Mr. Bucket O Chicken- to tatoo that to your right forearm
Hello, hello, I'm at a place called Vertigo...it's everything I shouldn't know, except you....give me something...I can feel.
Agree with Mike, I do.
I wouldnt get too caught up on PP#3 - if you do not sense it now, perhaps in the future you will. In the meantime, drive the hands downplane - thats down plane. Down Plane.
And if that doesnt work, then perhaps Aiming Point is something to focus on.
Hello, hello, I'm at a place called Vertigo...it's everything I shouldn't know, except you....give me something...I can feel.
Agree with Mike, I do.
I wouldnt get too caught up on PP#3 - if you do not sense it now, perhaps in the future you will. In the meantime, drive the hands downplane - thats down plane. Down Plane.
And if that doesnt work, then perhaps Aiming Point is something to focus on.
Likewise, I agreed with your initial post and this one- however my primary reason for posting this is to get one more post- that'll put me only 8 posts behind you- and it won't be long before I overtake your .......
P.S. please don't post back as I don't want to see your post totals increasing!
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