Croker / Martin Green TGM hitters?

[ColtsFan]

Still somewhat new to TGM, but Im confused about hitting and swinging. Ive got Martin Greens video which is pretty good and have seen Crokers downloads, but Im not sure if "pushing" always equals "hitting", or if its still a CF swing?

Would you say Green is TGM? www.mgga.net
(If you click on his "tip of the month" you can see his swing.)

Curious as to whether Yoda favors hitting (pushing?) to swinging for the average Joe.

Thanks...

[birdie_man]

I think it's pretty much whatever you do best man.

However you can accelerate that club best to produce the 3 Imparatives most consistently....

...and straight compressed powerful shots.

[danny_shank]

I think if your strong but lack flexability say like Hal Sutton you may be better suited to hitting. Opposite with swinging.

[ColtsFan]

thanks guys, seems like everyone from Green, to Coker, Evershed etc are Yellow Book deciples.

Birdie, have you ever heard of this Leslie King guy?

www.golfpro-online.com/tuition/lking/index.html

Definately a hands lead pivot guy....

[lagster]

I have heard Peter Croker's swing analysis by a G.S.E.D.. He says this is a SWING. His talk about PUSHING, is relating more to Extensor Action.

Green... looks like a SWING also.

[danny_shank]

Hi ColtsFan,

I know you asked birdie_man but i thought i'd reply as i was taught for about a year by a professional who was taught by Ledley King and graduated from his golf school in Knightsbridge.

IMO he has some interesting ideas but as an overall package it didn't help me, in fact to be honest it destroyed me. I found starting down with the hands particulary hard to implement and also the 'on-line' follow through i was taught didn't seem that compatable with an on-plane downswing.

I must stress though my experience shouldn't be taken as a reflection on Ledley King just how his method was taught to me.

[ColtsFan]

hey Danny,

interesting, so have you found more consistency starting down with your hips instead of your hands? I know the hips starting the DS tends to be the tradtional method, but didnt Homer like a hands lead pivot?

[ColtsFan]

lagster,

Green's got a nice swing, but he doesnt seem to be pulling down with his left arm. In fact in his video he he feels that a pulling action leads to having to make a last second flip of the hands to square it up.

He does seem to incorporate the 3 TGM imperatives in his motion...

[danny_shank]

ColtsFan, Homer wants you to monitor your hands but for a swinger like me they are pulled down by your body, the bump of the hips allows them to be pulled down on plane.

For me starting with the hands made my downswing very quick, i would loose my lag pressure too early and suffer from snap hooks.

[birdie_man]

Overacceleration....(casting)...

Ya....you try to direct your hands to a spot...(at or ahead of the ball or wherever you're aiming your thrust...this is Aiming Point).....but what ACTUALLY moves them is your body.

Watch Hogan.....mad hip slide.....(without his head moving forward too much- this is how Axis Tilt [spine tilt] happens BTW).....watch his left knee....move towards the target.

Mind in the hands tho (where you are directing them)....but the body does the actual moving of them.