I read through the archives but I still cannot fully understand the #3. If zero #3 place the grip in the cup of the hand, and acute #3 angle would have a hands low appearance at address, than what energy is accumulated and released?
It would seem that the #2 stores and releases the vertical wrist cock motion but the #3 angle relates to the same plane of motion.
I read through the archives but I still cannot fully understand the #3. If zero #3 place the grip in the cup of the hand, and acute #3 angle would have a hands low appearance at address, than what energy is accumulated and released?
It would seem that the #2 stores and releases the vertical wrist cock motion but the #3 angle relates to the same plane of motion.
CW
The #3 angle is based on the angle of the clubshaft and left arm when the wrist is LEVEL. So if the grip is in the cup of the left hand you have a zeroed out #3. To obtain MORE #3 angle you would just move the grip more under the heel pad with your Left Wrist in the Level condition. So #3 is STATIC. It is the angle you try to roll through. So at impact you are moving from cocked and uncocking to the Level condition set up at fix and thus your #3 angle of the shaft and left arm. Setting up MORE #3 angle requires more hands speed. This is why Preacher Poke Chop advises place the grip JUST under the heel pad. Setting up LESS angle to be rolled through . . . Less is more in this case.
Note: Players that set up with "low" hands don't necessarily have a sharp #3 angle BECAUSE the #3 angle is based on when the Left Wrist is LEVEL. Not Cocked as the "low" hands set up necessitates. You can certainly set up with "low" hands (some can argue advantages of this set up). Then just move from "low" hands to Impact Fix to determine the true #3 angle when your Left Wrist is Flat Level and Vertical to the ground at Impact.
You are trying to roll the #3 angle through impact. After impact #3 would be zeroed out when the left wrist is fully uncocked to Full Lever Extension.
So #3 is TRANSFER power. You are TRANSFERRING the velocity from the #2 uncocking into the rolling motion of #3. You roll the residual uncocking speed (remember #2 is the Velocity Accumulator) into the ball.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 09-13-2006 at 10:32 AM.
12 Piece, if you have read the "center fold" article in the latest Golf Magazine by A.J. Bonar I would be very interested in your thoughts.
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
The #3 angle is based on the angle of the clubshaft and left arm when the wrist is LEVEL. So if the grip is in the cup of the left hand you have a zeroed out #3. To obtain MORE #3 angle you would just move the grip more under the heel pad with your Left Wrist in the Level condition. So #3 is STATIC. It is the angle you try to roll through. So at impact you are moving from cocked and uncocking to the Level condition set up at fix and thus your #3 angle of the shaft and left arm. Setting up MORE #3 angle requires more hands speed. This is why Preacher Poke Chop advises place the grip JUST under the heel pad. Setting up LESS angle to be rolled through . . . Less is more in this case.
Note: Players that set up with "low" hands don't necessarily have a sharp #3 angle BECAUSE the #3 angle is based on when the Left Wrist is LEVEL. Not Cocked as the "low" hands set up necessitates. You can certainly set up with "low" hands (some can argue advantages of this set up). Then just move from "low" hands to Impact Fix to determine the true #3 angle when your Left Wrist is Flat Level and Vertical to the ground at Impact.
You are trying to roll the #3 angle through impact. After impact #3 would be zeroed out when the left wrist is fully uncocked to Full Lever Extension.
So #3 is TRANSFER power. You are TRANSFERRING the velocity from the #2 uncocking into the rolling motion of #3. You roll the residual uncocking speed (remember #2 is the Velocity Accumulator) into the ball.
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12 Piece, if you have read the "center fold" article in the latest Golf Magazine by A.J. Bonar I would be very interested in your thoughts.
I'll check it out. GOLF just wacked me. I forgot to renew my prescription. But I'll read it and holla back.
I have seen his tapes and they ain't all bad. He draws the clubface on peoples left wrist . . . so he talks about the hands controlling everything . . . His stuff is just incomplete.
12 Piece, if you have read the "center fold" article in the latest Golf Magazine by A.J. Bonar I would be very interested in your thoughts.
An important move to understand to be sure, one that 'most' people are lacking, but I find it offensive that he claims it is 'his discovery' - heck, Hogan's 5 lessons, page 102 shows it. Homer talks about it (ready to ROLL on that line), I've posted about it, Lynn has posted about it and done video clips.
That said, I would agree that the vast majority of teachers/books/videos of the past don't really stress this move enough, or confuse folks with how they present it. Although I've always liked the 'hitch hiker' drill of Toski/Love from "How to Feel a Real Golf Swing".
All of that said, what A.J. leaves out in that article is that the rate of rotation has to 'match up' to the pivot - smooth motion. This is one of the big benefits of a figure 8 strap, as it shows you the relationship between the pivot and the forearms (hands and chest). The root of 'Rhythm' and 'connection'.
Go out and give it a 'roll' until you can hook the heck out of it and 'hear' the ball - then learn to synch up your body rotation and forearms.
If you've setup well, set your flying wedges and taken your grip at impact fix, you'll like the results
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I have seen his tapes and they ain't all bad. He draws the clubface on peoples left wrist . . . so he talks about the hands controlling everything . . .
I apologize in advance for this threadjack, but the mention of A.J. Bonar brought to mind our recent trip to the Titleist Performance Institute in Oceanside, California. The afternoon we arrived, Rob Noel, James Leitz, V.J. Trolio and myself hopped over to A.J.'s Carlsbad teaching facility. Here are a few photos from that fruitful excursion. Click on the photo, then View and Full Screen, and you'll see that we really got into it! [I'll move this post over to its rightful place, the TPI thread in The Lab, in a few days.]
1. Bucket...A.J. not only draws clubfaces on his students' Left Hands, he also puts one on his glove. Check it out in the first photo! Note, also, that the Left Wrist is vertical, i.r., perpendicular, to the ground. This is a very natural positon -- all set for the Swinger's Horizontal Hinging or the Hitter's Angled Hinging or the manipulated Vertical Hinging -- for those who would play their best golf (more or less!) all the time.
2. We all get a Putting Lesson from A.J. Left to right, that's Rob, James and V.J. Yoda, as usual, is behind the lens.
3. V.J. and I are hunkered down around A.J.'s computer as he talks about his preferred Left Wrist condition at the Top and uses top TOUR professionals as his models.
4. Rob, V.J. and James talk Swing Radius and Center with A.J.
5. Yoda drives A.J.'s 'Nail' training aid into the ground.
6. James and A.J. talk about the Flat Left Wrist and its Motions through Impact.
7. V.J. hammers one long and deep with A.J.'s now-famous training aid, 'Da Bat.' Check out that clubhead!
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