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Old 11-16-2006, 08:01 AM
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What am I missing?
Been working hard lately on a decent backswing pivot using an RFT and a good transition, dropping the right shoulder down and keeping my back to the target

Indeed I feel like I get to the position shown in the bottom left picture pretty well

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...Yoda_Hogan.jpg

HOWEVER, from that point Im really struggling. Im not sure how to get through the ball and release properly and end up hitting blocks or high pushes. To save that on the course I flip and fight a hook

What should I learn to get from that pre impact position with an open clubface and a bent right arm to get through the ball correctly without using my hands? Finish swivel?
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Old 11-16-2006, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeShmoe
Been working hard lately on a decent backswing pivot using an RFT and a good transition, dropping the right shoulder down and keeping my back to the target

Indeed I feel like I get to the position shown in the bottom left picture pretty well

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...Yoda_Hogan.jpg

HOWEVER, from that point Im really struggling. Im not sure how to get through the ball and release properly and end up hitting blocks or high pushes. To save that on the course I flip and fight a hook

What should I learn to get from that pre impact position with an open clubface and a bent right arm to get through the ball correctly without using my hands? Finish swivel?
You must use your hands.But bear in mind the difference between HAND motion and WRIST motion.
The wrist uncocks the hand rolls.So you must ROLL into impact and keep rolling through the follow through into the finish swivel.
The roll of the hands feels more like a roll of the whole left arm to me .
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeShmoe
Been working hard lately on a decent backswing pivot using an RFT and a good transition, dropping the right shoulder down and keeping my back to the target

Indeed I feel like I get to the position shown in the bottom left picture pretty well

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...Yoda_Hogan.jpg

HOWEVER, from that point Im really struggling. Im not sure how to get through the ball and release properly and end up hitting blocks or high pushes. To save that on the course I flip and fight a hook

What should I learn to get from that pre impact position with an open clubface and a bent right arm to get through the ball correctly without using my hands? Finish swivel?
Work on some plane drills (strap two flashlights end to end and trace a straight line). Chances are good your plane is currently pointed out to the right and/or your ball position is off (too far back).
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeShmoe
Been working hard lately on a decent backswing pivot using an RFT and a good transition, dropping the right shoulder down and keeping my back to the target

Indeed I feel like I get to the position shown in the bottom left picture pretty well

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...Yoda_Hogan.jpg

HOWEVER, from that point Im really struggling. Im not sure how to get through the ball and release properly and end up hitting blocks or high pushes. To save that on the course I flip and fight a hook

What should I learn to get from that pre impact position with an open clubface and a bent right arm to get through the ball correctly without using my hands? Finish swivel?
It's the "lag" you are missing. Load and sustain the "lag".
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YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn.
Bend the shaft.
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Old 11-16-2006, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bts
It's the "lag" you are missing. Load and sustain the "lag".
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YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain ("Yang (陽)") the lag ("Yin (陰)")" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" ("陰陽合一").
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Old 11-16-2006, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeShmoe
Been working hard lately on a decent backswing pivot using an RFT and a good transition, dropping the right shoulder down and keeping my back to the target

Indeed I feel like I get to the position shown in the bottom left picture pretty well

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...Yoda_Hogan.jpg

HOWEVER, from that point Im really struggling. Im not sure how to get through the ball and release properly and end up hitting blocks or high pushes. To save that on the course I flip and fight a hook

What should I learn to get from that pre impact position with an open clubface and a bent right arm to get through the ball correctly without using my hands? Finish swivel?
Seems to me that that whilst you were mindful of a decent back swing pivot you might just be forgetting the need to pivot in the down swing and follow through also.

Your swivel, from the way you describe things, seems to be in operation but is negated somewhat by the lack of pivot through impact and on into a full finish.
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bts
It's the "lag" you are missing. Load and sustain the "lag".
Wondered that myself. Its something Ive never really understood or felt, how to load that shaft

Like a lot of people I struggle with an roundhouse OTT move and upper body lunge .. so I work hard on the downswing waggles/pump drill, dropping my arms before rotating..however how do you load the shaft whilst dropping the arms with the back to the target and hips going crossline? Hold the wrist angle? Every time ive tried this my wrists just feel tense and again I hit high pushes

I guess I want to know how to uncock that right elbow on the downstroke whilst maintaining lag, so I can then drive that through impact with rotation and a finish swivel

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Old 11-17-2006, 04:52 AM
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Tough to answer without seeing someone's video- really need to provide a link to video of your swing- that way I think you would get a lot better feedback from forum members.
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Old 11-17-2006, 07:44 AM
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Hi JoeShmoe i'm no expert like some of these guys. But you did say something in your last post which i know is not a good thing.

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Hold the wrist angle? Every time ive tried this my wrists just feel tense and again I hit high pushes
As a swinger your wrists should be very loose and tension free or you just inhibit CF from doing its thing. I think if your gonna try to get into that position you have to make sure you get there by doing the right things. If your holding onto that wrist angle your effectively faking it and won't get the benefits. You've got to get there by having loose wrists and dragging an insanely heavy clubhead.
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Old 11-17-2006, 08:28 AM
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drag drag drag that big bad mop from the top, feel the wet mop through pp3 and let the flywheel spin that clubhead, trust it let 'er go. I think we have all tried to 'freeze it' literally instead of concentrating on the sensation through the points to let it happen.
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