At what point do you make a decision as to what golf philosphy, instruction, method, style you are going to adopt as your mainstay?
Bouncing from one golf philosphy or instruction to another will certainly without a doubt lead to confusion at best and at worst totally incompatible parts.
The approach of shopping around for an answer to a fault, to how to perform the correct stroke, how to do anything appears to be a hap hazard method.
To me it seems golfers out there are still seeking the secret, much as they continue to go through equipment and training aids. If it works for the moment, great, if not on to the next. If it had worked but now doesn't throw it away and find something else. I see posters visiting a half dozen or more forums, posting the same question. After getting various responses, that same poster is back in a few days with another question, again spread across the forums seeking another answer. Based on their response back it seem the posters are approaching building, maintaining and reparing their golf stroke as a smorgasbord, take something from here, then jump over here and take something from there, etc.
Where is the master plan, blueprint, the controls and restrictions, the guidelines and definitions to ensure what is being constructed is in fact solid?
I equate this to just kind of wandering aimlessly, chasing what sounds good and just plain hoping that you can hit on the right combination to find something that works. Am I alone in this observation? Reviewing and gathering all this information, doesn't it lead to information overload, confusion at times? I fully understand golf intructors need to seek out the information so they can be better prepared to work with students, understand the students golf stroke and where the student is coming from, but for the student, how many, how much is needed to know?
How do you decide or do you decide to define your basic stroke, your blueprint upon which you build your golf stroke?
The other question is do you have a blueprint or defined golf stroke flavor you are building, maintaining, etc.?
Do you have a source to aid you or is it multiple sources? If multiple, why?
I have been wandering aimlessly for about 20 yrs. now, always getting that quick fix, that, "I think I have it now" mentality. Well, I am tired. I am now looking toward the holy land, seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. I fully intend on having my blueprint in hand, knowing the path I am going to travel, in a very short time. My revelation begins in Destin, June 2nd.
If one thinks a while about the 'reasons' to do certain things in the swing - the physics, geometry and anatomy of the motion, that path is defined fairly well for a given person, shot, condition. Multiple sources of info are very helpful, but ONLY if you know the overall perspective they are coming from - which of the three areas they address, and which of the 'too much, not enough and just right' they are discussing.
Each of those three areas has an 'ideal' as far as the 'clubs' motion and as far as how the body must move to support it. The obvious difficulty is that each person and each shot is unique, so unless every golf tip or article spells out clearly the perspective their approach is coming from, it is easy to get confused.
All of that said, the swing can be summed up with:
The 3 imperatives
The 3 essentials
"support the on plane swinging force in balance"
Those cover the physics and geometry for the most part. Austin did a great job of looking at how the body must move to support the club. From what I have heard and understand of Mac, he has done a lot of work in that area too.
So many variables, but the CONCEPTS are not that difficult. The big advantage to TGM is that it 'should' be the basis for teaching every student of the game the proper concepts - the 'map' of where you want to go - How you decide to get there has many options, different roads to travel. That first turn, each grip type, leads you down a different road, but you still are trying to get to the same destination - the support of impact, the application of FORCE - sustaining the line of compression.
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At what point do you make a decision as to what golf philosphy, instruction, method, style you are going to adopt as your mainstay?
Bouncing from one golf philosphy or instruction to another will certainly without a doubt lead to confusion at best and at worst totally incompatible parts.
Guilty as charged, your honor.
The evidence is in my bookshelf.
Swing Like a Pro (Mann, Griffin,et al)
Essentials of the Golf Swing (John Redman)
Golf. Plain and Simple (Don Trahan)
No book but a video from Scott Hazeldine on a single-axis swing.
You get the picture.
Why? Good question. A big part of it is a failure to find a teaching pro that I was comfortable with (I was originally working with Fred Blackmar but he had health problems that ended that).
So I search and try to find something I can do on my own. I feel like I've made progress since spending time on these forums, but I sure wished I lived in Atlanta, or Mesa, or New Orleans so I could follow Homer's "imploredly with" advice.
So I search and try to find something I can do on my own. I feel like I've made progress since spending time on these forums, but I sure wished I lived in Atlanta...
It's a 'day trip,' Dave -- a day trip. Come see me, and your golfing life will change forever!
At what point do you make a decision as to what golf philosphy, instruction, method, style you are going to adopt as your mainstay?
Bouncing from one golf philosphy or instruction to another will certainly without a doubt lead to confusion at best and at worst totally incompatible parts.
The approach of shopping around for an answer to a fault, to how to perform the correct stroke, how to do anything appears to be a hap hazard method.
To me it seems golfers out there are still seeking the secret, much as they continue to go through equipment and training aids. If it works for the moment, great, if not on to the next. If it had worked but now doesn't throw it away and find something else. I see posters visiting a half dozen or more forums, posting the same question. After getting various responses, that same poster is back in a few days with another question, again spread across the forums seeking another answer. Based on their response back it seem the posters are approaching building, maintaining and reparing their golf stroke as a smorgasbord, take something from here, then jump over here and take something from there, etc.
Where is the master plan, blueprint, the controls and restrictions, the guidelines and definitions to ensure what is being constructed is in fact solid?
I equate this to just kind of wandering aimlessly, chasing what sounds good and just plain hoping that you can hit on the right combination to find something that works. Am I alone in this observation? Reviewing and gathering all this information, doesn't it lead to information overload, confusion at times? I fully understand golf intructors need to seek out the information so they can be better prepared to work with students, understand the students golf stroke and where the student is coming from, but for the student, how many, how much is needed to know?
How do you decide or do you decide to define your basic stroke, your blueprint upon which you build your golf stroke?
The other question is do you have a blueprint or defined golf stroke flavor you are building, maintaining, etc.?
Do you have a source to aid you or is it multiple sources? If multiple,
why?
Martee,
First, I've bounced about more than the average Joe in search of the holy grail of golf. It is very ironic I never happened on the yellow book in that search because it likely would have appealed to me. I've been to several 'name' schools and had other individual lessons from some well known and maybe lesser known good instructors. The result was always the same.... chase some feel or swing thought for a few months with varying degrees of sucess.
Until I read enough on GEA, TGM and Chuck Evans to believe that Yoda and YodasLuke were onto something. In fairness, I wouldn't have found it if I hadn't kept searching.... but at this point I think I am working on a efficient hitting stroke only....since I'm 58 I doubt there is time to do much else and since it seems to work well I don't think I need more than hitting in my game.
I've seen Ted Fort once, and I'm sure I'll be back to see him again. Hopefully in the late summer or fall to tighten things up. It was the best experience I've had with a teacher. It seems to me that all golfers are trying to do the same thing.... control the flight of the golf ball. When you finally find a way to compress the golf ball and make it go where you want... I think you stay with that system, no matter what it may be. TGM is the only thing I've found that allows me to repeatably control a golf ball.... I'm here for good.
When you finally find a way to compress the golf ball and make it go where you want... I think you stay with that system, no matter what it may be. TGM is the only thing I've found that allows me to repeatably control a golf ball.... I'm here for good.
At what point do you make a decision as to what golf philosphy, instruction, method, style you are going to adopt as your mainstay?
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Whatever, not until I can hit one type of (whatever) shot ten in a row.
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
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