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Old 02-04-2008, 07:03 PM
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2-P Wristcock

"The Wristcock shortens the Swing Radius to facilitate and synchronize the Rhythm and Acceleration of the Pivot and Power Package. The true Angular Speed (RPM) of the Clubhead is identical to that of the Hands due to the mandatory Flat Left Wrist."

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say: "The true Angular Speed (RPM) of the Clubhead is identical to that of the Hands due to the mandatory Level and Bent Right Wrist."
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Old 02-04-2008, 07:15 PM
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2-P Wristcock

"The Wristcock shortens the Swing Radius to facilitate and synchronize the Rhythm and Acceleration of the Pivot and Power Package. The true Angular Speed (RPM) of the Clubhead is identical to that of the Hands due to the mandatory Flat Left Wrist."

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say: "The true Angular Speed (RPM) of the Clubhead is identical to that of the Hands due to the mandatory Level and Bent Right Wrist."
Hmmm...

Perhaps.

The only issue I see is I think sometimes VJ and Couples are actually losing the bend in their right wrist prior to, or at, impact. However, they maintain the flat left wrist.

It also seems simpler or more logical to use the flat left wrist as the 'guideline' - meaning - take a 2x4 from your shoulder to hands and let it extend. Just seems to make sense.

I am sure there are more technical answers, just some thoughts real quick.
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Old 02-04-2008, 07:22 PM
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However, with 10-2-D, the statement is not always true, because the Clubhead and Flat Left Wrist are not traveling at the same RPM at Impact. However, under all conditions with a Bent and Level Right Wrist the statement is always true.

Do you see it that way?
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Old 02-04-2008, 07:26 PM
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However, with 10-2-D, the statement is not always true, because the Clubhead and Flat Left Wrist are not traveling at the same RPM at Impact. However, under all conditions with a Bent and Level Right Wrist the statement is always true.

Do you see it that way?
Can I get the statement in 10-2-D real quick? I dont have the book and just delving back into it...
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Old 02-04-2008, 07:28 PM
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Hang on,

I am dumb. 10-2-D is grip type, right?

I am thinking it would still be accurate. Remember, is talking about the clubhead, not clubface. I would think, regardless of grip type, RPM's would be same. If I rotated the 2x4 (example earlier) I dont think it would change RPM's.

What do you think?
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Old 02-04-2008, 07:36 PM
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10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION T/V/A Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. The #3 Pressure Point and the left thumb are also on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. Double Action – same as 10-2-C.
I'm a little concerned about that. 10-2-D doesn't Roll through impact. It seems to me, that the Clubhead/Clubface is uncocking going through Impact. If that's true, then they aren't traveling at the same RPM. The same RPM occurs with Roll when the Swingle doesn't pass the handle.
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I'm a little concerned about that. 10-2-D doesn't Roll through impact. It seems to me, that the Clubhead/Clubface is uncocking going through Impact. If that's true, then they aren't traveling at the same RPM. The same RPM occurs with Roll when the Swingle doesn't pass the handle.
Forgive me. 10-2-D is a Freddie Couples type grip, right?

Good point. I see exactly what you mean.

Perhaps I inferred Homer meant it in a circle way, versus your perspective, which makes sense to me - I can definitely see the clubhead moving faster due to the uncocking left wrist.

Dont know. Need to roll this one around some.
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Old 02-04-2008, 07:48 PM
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Forgive me. 10-2-D is a Freddie Couples type grip, right?

Good point. I see exactly what you mean.

Perhaps I inferred Homer meant it in a circle way, versus your perspective, which makes sense to me - I can definitely see the clubhead moving faster due to the uncocking left wrist.

Dont know. Need to roll this one around some.
Then, my exact point would be: The Clubhead and Right Hand and Right Forearm Always move at the same RPM from Address to Finish Swivel.
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:04 PM
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Then, my exact point would be: The Clubhead and Right Hand and Right Forearm Always move at the same RPM from Address to Finish Swivel.
Does that still leave use with the couples/vj issue?

Understand your point, and a hell of a good one. I'm with you. Its verbiage now and making sure all perspectives are accounted for.
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:27 PM
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Does that still leave use with the couples/vj issue?

Understand your point, and a hell of a good one. I'm with you. Its verbiage now and making sure all perspectives are accounted for.
Just about every pro golfer we see at impact has "Flying Wedges" intact throughout the Impact. Their Flat Left Wrist Condition varies from Turned to Vertical to even Rolled (in a few cases). But the Right Hand is almost invariably Bent and Level. The Magic of the Right Forearm states that the Left Wrist Cocks by the Right Elbow Bending. Also, if we stop the Right Arm from straightening, then no release and no Uncocking Left Wrist.

If this is true, then, Left Wrist Action is controlled by Grip To Plane and Right Wrist Action. We can then define Right Wrist Actions. Then, and this gets really interesting, we can separate Power Package Assembly and Delivery independently from the Flying Wedges. You don’t need Flying Wedges to Putt.

Much of HK’s Power Package Alignments are related to the Flying Wedge Structure. Maybe Power Package and Structure are separate, like Hip Motion and Hip Action.

Power Package Structure can be defined by ............And Variations are..................??? I'm workin on it.
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