Yoda,

Well said.Master Yoda...

Horizontal Hinging uses more of a single ball location"system"...vary stance width and stance line thus affecting ball location to left shoulder(The Hinge)....Angled Hinging uses more multiple ball locations for varying degrees of launch angles and different initial flight paths... So your ball location "System" must match...Hinge Action...Plane Angle/Line...and Release ...etc...

The bottom line...Where's the ball located in relation to the Hinge!!!

So... the final word on ball location...it's a variable epending on your stroke pattern!!!

Skywalker

Ball location should always be referenced via the Hinge Pin (Left Shoulder). In that sense, there is no such thing as a "Single Ball Location" system.

Tongzilla....You're Right!!!

You know what man...that's such a great way to think about it. It really is.

...Ball position in relation to the left shoulder (low point).

Because the left shoulder is low point...and if you know anything about the geometry of a circle and hinge action...you know that ball position is absolutely vital...

Funny that this comes up...because I just discovered the "single ball position"

I open the face a lot on the backswing...double shift...I'd like to say my swing is kinda like Hogan or Vijay...don't want to miss right. Ball starts straight or is slightly pushed (plane line always extends out to the right so the ball STARTS straight or barely right)...and flies straight or slightly fades.. and the clubface will not close through impact enough (no leftward CURVE) for a hook...it's almost impossible to hook...unless I setup for a draw at address (closed shoulders/toe line then normal swing- make sure tempo remains slow to allow clubface to be closed at impact...err- at separation :) ).

The problem I've always had though was with high, right, weak short irons- fluffers.

Trajectory control (bringing the flight down when I need to) has been difficult. I couldn't hit down on it enough...I guess I turned a SW into a LW or higher...LW would turn into god knows what. 100 miles into the sky that's what I guess lol.

But if I moved it back...as I thought always basically had to be done as a part of hitting it lower...the ball would get down...but be about 1000 yards right of my target.

Now I keep the ball 'one ball' inside my left heel and adjust my stance width (and hence, axis tilt) so I can hit it on the way down. The forward ball position makes sure that the ball goes straight still instead of dead right.

I think this is the only way for me to use the same swing throughout the bag I've realized...it's always been a hurdle.

Anyway I've gotta stop typing...I'm all excited.

Good stuff.

-Paul

I think there's a reason why Hogan played the ball where he did BTW... 8) :wink: (wink)

Study 10-24-F if you have a Flip release... Ball location and Stance Line are critical due to this Pivot-Controlled Procedure. The "flip" addict needs these two fixes!!! ...Source for illustration, The Modern Fundamentals for Golf, Ben Hogan,p.125

Skywalker

But Hogan doesn't use a Flip Release, or does he? I thought he uses an Automatic Snap Release.

Tongzilla,

I didn't say Hogan used a "flip release" ...just used diagram to illustrate Ball location /Stance line relationships...

"The Flip release Addict" reference was for those who PERHAPS wonder why they like to play the ball forward in what "APPEARS" to be one ball location..."But there is no such thing"- from which you are keerect!!!

I strongly suggest reading 10-24-F 3rd,4th, 5th, and 6th, they're are some interesting points made about...Pivot Controlled Procedures

Skywalker

Sorry, there must be some confusion here Skywalker...I didn't say that you said that Hogan used a flip release! :wink:

I just found it interesting because Hogan doesn't use a Flip Release (we both agree with that), but that diagram shows how a person using Flip Release should set up (according to you).

Anyway, I don't know much about the Flip Release....need to do some reading and incubating!

So what release does Hogan use???

Anyone know for sure.

Why'd you mention Flip release BTW? I'm curious to know about this.

I read a bit in the book but haven't gotten much from it yet. It talks about a pivot controlled-stroke and shoulder-turn takeaway- I now use both.

-Paul