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Originally Posted by drewitgolf

WP9,

Divots go left toward the shortstop?

Here is a problem. Going to a more upright lie angle will take away the toe deep divots, but generally cause you to hit it further left. Not something I am sure you want to do.

Change your Impact alignments. Your Right Forearm is most likely too high at Impact and your Wrists are fully Uncocked at Impact rather than Level.

Maybe you could provide a little more information on your stroke?

Initially this is true. However, This would also force the player to start swinging down plane (dowward, outward, and forward) to correct the high right forearm. The question becomes, does the player come over plane to make the ball go straight or because that is what they think they should do?
I would try a more upright lie angle and make the ball go straight. Check the lie angle again and if the marks are good and the ball goes straight then you have a winner.

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Originally Posted by golfgnome

I would try a more upright lie angle and make the ball go straight. Check the lie angle again and if the marks are good and the ball goes straight then you have a winner.

Golfgnome,

Correct me if I am wrong. Are you suggesting that the player should fit their motion to the club, rather then have the club fit their motion?

All to often when the ball goes left (from a more upright lie angle or a Bent Left Wrist), the Computer will aim the Machine further and further to the right to correct the ball flight, they won't change their Impact Alignments.

All to often, players are fitted for Clubhead Throwaway (I have fitted people for Throwaway; those are the people who won't practice or change their motion, but want to hit it straight $$$). Yes, it can improve their ball flight, but if they really want to improve their game, they will base their motion on the Laws of Science.

Improving their Zone #3, six Impact Alignments (3-F-5) before changing the lie angle of the club should save them time while improving their Geometry (they may not even need to change their lie angle to begin with). After visually checking their motion to see if they have sound Impact, then they should be fitted for lie, length, grip size, shaft flex..., not before IMO.

Drewitgolf,
That is awesome stuff. I'm off and running to the mirror, and then the range. Thanks.
Tommy

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf

Golfgnome,

Correct me if I am wrong. Are you suggesting that the player should fit their motion to the club, rather then have the club fit their motion?

All to often when the ball goes left (from a more upright lie angle or a Bent Left Wrist), the Computer will aim the Machine further and further to the right to correct the ball flight, they won't change their Impact Alignments.

All to often, players are fitted for Clubhead Throwaway (I have fitted people for Throwaway; those are the people who won't practice or change their motion, but want to hit it straight $$$). Yes, it can improve their ball flight, but if they really want to improve their game, they will base their motion on the Laws of Science.

No question, but if the lie angle (which is a combination of length and lie) is not correct will the player EVER be rewarded for a geometrically correct swing.

Improving their Zone #3, six Impact Alignments (3-F-5) before changing the lie angle of the club should save them time while improving their Geometry (they may not even need to change their lie angle to begin with). After visually checking their motion to see if they have sound Impact, then they should be fitted for lie, length, grip size, shaft flex..., not before IMO.

No! I am saying that the club can and will have an effect on motion. Many players bend their left wrist and come over the top because their equipment is to short or to flat or to stiff, etc. If a player is bending their left wrist and coming over plane the ball should go left not straight. By giving the player the correct lie angle they will start hitting the ball to the left, then be able to start correcting ball flight by making a down plane motion.

A lie angle that is to upright will sometimes cause players to swing under plane (ex. juniors).

No question, but if the lie angle (which is a combination of length and lie) is not correct will the player EVER be rewarded for a geometrically correct swing.

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Originally Posted by golfgnome

No question, but if the lie angle (which is a combination of length and lie) is not correct will the player EVER be rewarded for a geometrically correct swing.

How far off does a significant difference in result appear? 1 degree? 2?

Given a lie that fits a player, how does changing to a more or less stiff shaft alter the needed lie angle?

divots,toe-,deep

I have had this problem most of this year.Three weeks ago i was over on the manzella forum,and i saw the little figure that he has that looks like it is in the impact position.I went out to driving range an tried to duplicate that figure.Cured me.:)