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Trig 03-15-2005 01:24 PM
Re: Right Shoulder Participation In The Hitter's Downstroke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by YodasLuke
[EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!! As Yoda described, you can't imagine the amount of force that is available.
This is the four barrell hitter in a nutshell. Imagine jumping off the hood of a car sitting in a driveway. Then, imagine how much faster you'd fly through the air if the car reached 30 MPH prior to you jumping of the hood. The shoulder (the car) is the first stage rocket, and the bend in the right elbow (legs) is the second stage rocket.

Another analogy could be a steel spring. If this spring was compressed from both sides while laying horizontally on a table, then released from both sides, it would expand to it's original size with energy traveling in both directions. Now, compress the spring in a vertical manner, against the table, and release it. The spring takes off vertically, because it has something to push against. Finally, if the table took off like a rocket, and the spring was compressed and released, the forces would accumulate.
Ted - this is a really great description! It also confirms that I am indeed hitting, even though I know I'm moving my right shoulder down the plane line.

My most powerful shots come when I move the right shoulder and delay driving the right arm until the last possible moment.

johngolf33 03-26-2005 09:49 AM
If one is using a three accumulator stroke while hitting does the right arm start its thrust from the top since the right shoulder is providing motion and not action? I assume that when using a four accumulator stroke the right shoulder thrusts downplane as a first stage rocket, and after the shoulder picks up the momentum then the right arm can straighten down the angle of approach?

YodasLuke 03-28-2005 10:56 AM
Right arm from top
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johngolf33
If one is using a three accumulator stroke while hitting does the right arm start its thrust from the top since the right shoulder is providing motion and not action? I assume that when using a four accumulator stroke the right shoulder thrusts downplane as a first stage rocket, and after the shoulder picks up the momentum then the right arm can straighten down the angle of approach?
I was listening to an audio of Homer today. He said the right arm can start straight from the top.
In four barrel hitting, the right shoulder does begin the startdown. Once any slack is removed and the momentum toward the ball has begun, the right shoulder still becomes a platform from which the right arm is thrusting. The maximum speed of the right shoulder is achieved very quickly and loads the #4 pressure point, but only for a fraction of a second. The right arm can begin thrusting at any pre-selected point in the downstroke to begin the simultaneous release of #1, #2, and #3.

Trig 03-29-2005 05:48 PM
Re: Right arm from top
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by YodasLuke
Quote:
Originally Posted by johngolf33
If one is using a three accumulator stroke while hitting does the right arm start its thrust from the top since the right shoulder is providing motion and not action? I assume that when using a four accumulator stroke the right shoulder thrusts downplane as a first stage rocket, and after the shoulder picks up the momentum then the right arm can straighten down the angle of approach?
I was listening to an audio of Homer today. He said the right arm can start straight from the top.
In four barrel hitting, the right shoulder does begin the startdown. Once any slack is removed and the momentum toward the ball has begun, the right shoulder still becomes a platform from which the right arm is thrusting. The maximum speed of the right shoulder is achieved very quickly and loads the #4 pressure point, but only for a fraction of a second. The right arm can begin thrusting at any pre-selected point in the downstroke to begin the simultaneous release of #1, #2, and #3.
Thanks Ted!

Yoda 03-30-2005 12:46 AM
Musical Chairs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Whole the presses....I seem to remember Yoda saying the start dwon for the 4 barrel hitter was the same as the true swinger with the lower body leading??? Now we're starting the club down with the right shoulder....where does it say that in the book???


DG
The Hips pull the Shoulder down. Back in your seats, everyone!

Anonymous 03-30-2005 01:12 AM
Yoda,

Thanks for lifting the fog....I can see clearly now!!! It's funny how 2-M-4 mentions clearing the fog....is there some connection? :)

DG

YodasLuke 03-30-2005 12:30 PM
Re: Changing Gears...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Whole the presses....I seem to remember Yoda saying the start dwon for the 4 barrel hitter was the same as the true swinger with the lower body leading??? Now we're starting the club down with the right shoulder....where does it say that in the book???


DG
If we're sticking strictly to the book, I'd like to know where the flattening of the right wrist is found.

To this point...You're right that the body leads and that the startdowns are exactly the same for 4 barrel hitting and swinging. But, I think that understanding the use of the right shoulder is very important to differentiate one from the other. My mentioning the right shoulder was firstly to identify the loading of the #4 accumulator, and secondly to make it clear that the shoulder doesn't continue downplane for hitting. It becomes a platform. My intent was to prevent anyone from feeling the shoulder continues toward the ball when attempting 4 barrels.

Anonymous 03-31-2005 01:32 AM
Ted,

Please watch the Tomasello Chapter on "Power".....Tom will say with out question...."get the bent right wrist in there"....meaning at impact.

Thanks for your input on the startdown for 4 barrel hitters.

Now back to regularly scheduled programming....:)

DG

Bigwill 04-16-2005 12:43 AM
a little fog...
 
If the swingers pivot thrust can manifest itself as the feeling of a pull through the left hand, and hitters (at least 4-barrell hitters) use pivot thrust to initiate the downswing, would they (hitters) feel a left hand pull before driving the right through impact?

Anonymous 04-16-2005 07:06 AM
3 and 4 Barrel Hitters
 
What seperates a four barrel hitter from a 3 barrel hitter is pivot thrust. Pivot thrust/Momemtum Transfer becomes a factor as a power source for the 4 Barrel hitter. With the 3 barrel hitter, the power source comes from the action of the right arm (The Magic of the Right Forearm....study 7-3).

So, startdown for the 3 barrel hitter is with the right arm (the muscles of the right forearm per 10-20-B). The startdown for the 4 barrel hitter is with the lower body (hip slide per 2-N-1-B, study 2-M-3 and 2-M-4).

3 Barrel Hitter = Power Package Thrust
4 Barrel Hitter = Pivot Thrust and Power Package Thrust

DG


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