Martee....that made my day (I'm easy).

Gentlemen,

I think you might want to reconsider what you've stated as only one "Axis Tilt"( Then youre suggesting the Shiftless Hip Turn and the Rotated Shoulder turn Components as THE WAY!)

....It's NOT a MAC THING...some BASIC BIOMECHANICS would see it from a "clearer perspective"....Should the Stationary Post in the illustration of 1-L be vertical or 0 degrees or should it be tilted forward???? ....A Waist Bend is ....A Forward Bend in Biomechanics....A hip slide with a stationary head is a lateral bend to the right in Biomechanics...NOT THE SAME!!!

You see...or you don't see.... to be "Accurate there's Not one Tilt, two tilts, three tilts, there are four !!! Mac says there are 3 Axis Tilts or changes throughout the Stroke...So get your facts straight!!!! ...

2 Tilts is not a Mac Thing, 3 Tilts are a Mac thing, 4 Tilts and 2 Rotations are an Anotomical THING!!!!

The Human Body or Machine moves through 3 Basic Planes of Motion with 2 Directions ...X Axis, Y Axis, and a Z Axis... with 2 directions in each... A Changes in Waist Bend(TGM Term) are Flexion or a Forward Bend and Extension moving back toward "neutral" or beyond. A Hip Slide which moves the Center of Gravityside to side is located at the intersection of Planes these somewhere in the pelvic region. This slide causes lateral bending...Right And Left (Thus allowing the right shoulder to move down plane) Then youo have rotational along the Longitudinal Axis of rotation "Clockwise" and Counter-Clockwise"... So ....Let's see thats

1. Forward Bending
2. Backward Bending
3. Lateral Bend - Right
4. Lateral Bend - Left
5. Rotate Clockwise
6. Rotate Counter- Clockwise

This is for all motion of the 13 Major Joints for the "HUMAN Machine"

That's 4 Bends(Tilts) and 2 Rotations = 6 Motions

The theory is the Stationary Post....Yes....No Disagreements!!!! However, In order for this theoretical or conceptual Post to stay centered....The Spine Angle cannot possibly stay the same...WHAT THAT"S HERESY!!!! YOU"RE WRONG ANNIKAN ...While the inclination of the trunk ideally stays pitch forward any wheres from 20- 40 degrees forward the actually spine changes it's orientation to the 3 Anotomical Planes in 3 Dimensional Space while maintaining the original coordinates much like an airplane flying to a specific destination in a moving through YAW, PITCH , and ROLL!!! You guys who fly planes know exactly what I'm talking about!!!!
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1-L is a Machine Concept ....Exactly that and it can feel like a machine...lliterally...

The Human Machine is a REALITY... and It was designed to ADAPT, ADJUST, LEARN, DEVELOP, SURVIVE, DISCOVER, SURVIVE, and SEEK
ETC....

It's so unfortunate people do not seek to understand, but only want to be a understood - Stephen Covey

Pride blinds and harden's hearts, God's Grace "opens eyes- a changes hearts!!!!

I'm Sorry...If the post represented in 1-L is not the human Machine then I willing to admit that I am wrong and I will consent to you a victory!!!!

I love Homer's work...But there are other things that need to be "discovered" He was all over it ....I do not think Mr. Kelley would admit to being "All - Knowing" He had far more humility than that I hav been told.

Yoda, I requested that this thread be closed...I hope you understand why!!!

Annikan

Wow...

Listen, all I am saying is that both axis tilts of Mac's are:

IN THE BOOK.

Homer just called them:
waist bend (Mac's primary axis tilt)
axis tilt (Mac's secondary tilt)

That's all.

And, as far as your post goes:

Does anyone think a REAL TGM guy (is one that know their stuff) doesn't know how the human body can bend one way or the other or be rotated or both.

I knew that when Mac was missing cuts in the early 80's.

The Never Ending Story
 

Annikan my man, you are doing a terrific job in enlightening us all. It would be a shame to turn off the dialog rather than work to change perceptions. We are all about mutual respect here at LBG Golf and would like to continue reinforcing it. Let's not forget in 1-H Homer said "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available-but seperately. And probably endlessly". One could argue that The Golfing Machine is not an end unto itself, but a beginning.

P.S. This is not the original Mac thread.

Bagger