Forget The Alamo...Remember the Basic Motion Boundary
 

We're talking about a Stroke that is two feet back and two feet through. Body Power? I don't think so!

A 12-5-1 Potpourri
 

1. The Components added are cumulative.

2. The reference 1-L-7/12 includes all Items in the series, i.e., numbers 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12.

3. The Right Forearm is the driving force in 1-L-7 and 1-L-10, whether that drive is Centrifugal or Muscular. This is the 'thrown or driven' Right Forearm of the Major Basic Stroke (7-3).

4. For Hitters, Pressure Point #3 is Active as both the Direct drive of the #2 Power Accumulator (the Left Wristcock) and the Indirect drive of the Clubhead Lag. It is both Aiming and Thrust. For Swingers, because Centrifugal Force (not Muscle Power) drives both the Club and the Clubhead Lag, it is Aiming only. And Pre-Stress is the domain of the Hitter, not the Swinger.

I didn't mean the full fireworks e.g. spinning the flywheel and Right Shoulder Drive to Load PP#4, etc...

I meant using just a little Pivot to give that Left Arm a little mini blast off, as opposed to using your left arm muscles to move to left arm (ala Ben Doyle...that's a discussion for another day ;) )

12-5-1...It Is What It Is
 

The Right Shoulder Turn Thrust drives the Left Arm in a Pivot Stroke. And the Shoulders are a Dual Agent (2-H, 7-13), i.e., they are part of both the Power Package and the Pivot. So, Shoulder Motion (and Action) does not violate the requirements for Zero Pivot.

However...

In addition to Zero Pivot, the Basic Motion of 12-5-1 specifies that the Shoulder Turn also be Zero. Remember, this is a tiny shot. As I've previously stated, everybody wants to make this motion bigger than it is. Per 6-B-4-0 and 10-3-D, the Left Arm motion can be independent of the Pivot.

Point of information: In the as-yet-unpublished 7th edition, Homer Kelley changed the Zero Pivot requirement of 12-5-2 to Minimal Pivot. In addition to the already permitted Downstroke Shoulder Turn, this expansion satisfies the need for the Swinger's essentially inert Left Arm to pick up a little Body Momentum Transfer from a 'thrown' Right Shoulder via the Hip Action of 7-15. In addition, it also satisfies more than a little 'psychological need.'

Bottom line: I'm all for the Swinger's 'mini-blast-off' in 12-5-2 (Acquired Motion) and the major-blastoff of 12-5-3 (Total Motion), but...

In the Basic Motion of 12-5-1...

Nada.

The Left Arm is on its own.

Which, of course, is why Hitting -- Right Elbow Drive -- is so attractive in the Short Strokes.

Finish what you started...
 

Oh what the Hey.....You've gone through Stage One as in depth as never before...you've enticed us with Stage 2.....Let's finish the deal here...I dare ya....

Double-dookey-doo-doo-ball dare?

hee hee
 

You crack me up, 13 piece extra crispy. I can't wait to meet you.

DUUUUUUDE!!!!

You have had the Bucket experience!

Hint . . . Last January warm weather . . . short fat red-headed dude . . . dorky looking glasses . . . 40 lbs overweight . . . turned grip . . . You told me, "I have never seen a 10 handicap with that much lag." I'll never forget that comment. . . spent the day with Collards and you gave I hitting demo . . . would have hate to have been those range balls. Talk about red arse.

Guess what? Still got the lag . . . and the 10 handicap! But I got more offspring too so the cap will get better . . . in 18 or 20 years:rolleyes: ! Got us a 4 piece grab bag and a lil' bucket parfait.

wow
 

That was you!!!???
I expected grease dripping from every orifice!!!!!

'Twas I. I'm leavin' well enough alone on the grease and the orifice . . . this thread could take an extreme detour to a naughty place:D !

Move away from the Table
 

Alright you two...enough "southern cuisine"...back to Stage 2...I'd like to hear the Swinging Stage 2 ...followed by the Hitting version of Stage 2....then of course Stage 3 for the umpteenth time for both......


BTW ..Bucket is a O handicapper hidden in the body of a ten handicapper........He's "Got it"...just needs to use it!!!Hard to play good golf when you rarely play...

Acquired Motion / 12-5-2
 

Stage Two of the Basic Motion Curriculum -- Acquired Motion -- expands the very Basic Motion from 'two feet back and through' to Waist-high (Right Forearm parallel to the ground on both ends of the Stroke).

In addition to the longer Stroke -- increased Acceleration Time (2-M-4-3) -- you acquire additional Power through minimal Pivot Motion (including Shoulder Turn and Weight Shift). Also, in addition to the Body Motion that serves to Load the Left Wrist (Swinging) or Right Elbow (Hitting), the Acquired Motion introduces the Hand Power Accumulators (Left Wrist Cock and Uncock and Left Hand Turn and Roll). With the introduction of Power Accumulator #3, the Club is now Gripped normally under the heel of the Left Hand (instead of in the cup as in Stage One). Accordingly, the Rhythm of the three Hinge Actions now varies and must be accomodated in the Stroke.

Questions?

[quote=annikan skywalker]Alright you two...enough "southern cuisine"...back to Stage 2...

[quote]

He started it . . . .=;

Leading the witness . . .

Sir . . . Finish Swivel? Or No Finish Swivel?

>For Swingers, with or without Wristcock, the #2 Pressure Point Drag Loads the Secondary Lever (the Club / 6-A-3).<


that helps, I looked that up in my new book..it didn't hurt too much..

Now I can stop endless experimention at the range on that. drag load with pp2 then accumulator 4. Yes thats what I do with driver. Pretty much a one plane swing

Waiting For Godot...And The Finish Swivel!
 

The Finish Swivel does not appear until Stage Three, the Total Motion. Hence, the Clubhead remains below the Hands in Stage Two. But as we end the Acquired Motion, we're already ripping around the Endless Belt (Item #14). Stay tuned!

A short pitch is...
 

....Stage One!

Today was doing some chipping/short pitching with a 56 degree sandwedge. I hit a small bucket to a hole and then realized I was using the Basic Stroke. No pivot. Ne weight shift. Just a very short right forearm pickup and right arm thrust with light lag pressure to both arms straight about 2 feet in ront of me.

Stage One is very short but I also realized you can still vary the lag pressure without lengthening the stroke. The technique of varying the lag pressure is an important one and is applied for all length strokes as the shot demands. I think it helps feel to play around with lag pressure.

Yeah..now were getting into it...Now let's explain the difference of a Hitter's Aquired Motion and a Swinger's Aquired Motion......



Let's introduce the "Endless Belt" today....here in Aquried Motion.......What size belt do ya wear?

Bucket.....where did you go to Law School..."The Creek"?

Abbot's Creek . . . where eatin' catfish is like lickin' a 9-volt batt'ry.

12-5-2 / Swinging Versus Hitting
 

My posting time will be very limited this week, but here's a jumpstart for the discussion. I'll chime in when I can. Meanwhile, everybody have fun!

The Item # is the reference in 12-5-2. My comment is Swinger versus Hitter.

1. #5 -- How the Wrist is Cocked (Centrifugal Force vs. Right Elbow Action).

2. #6 -- Wrist Action (Standard vs. Single).

3. #7 -- Hinge Action and its Rhythm (Horizontal vs. Angled).

4. #8 -- Clubface alignment per 2-J-1 (Open vs. Closed but both Square for Short Shots).

5. #10 -- Lag Loading (Drag vs. Drive).

6. #11 -- Pressure Point #3 (Aiming vs. Thrust).

Max #2
 

Yoda,

I have been incubating the above on "maxing-out" the #2 Accumulator. Is this in the book? This is a significantly different feel for me. It is almost like a double shot of Extensor Action. If I Cock the Left Wrist 'til I can't no more, you are SPOT ON . . . the WOBBLE IS GONE!

With the fully-cocked #2, I can feel the #1 and #3 pressure points much more prominently. I guess based on the selected procedure you either Drive or Pull this structure down plane.

Is there any danger in "holding on" with this if you haven't had the max'ed out feel before?

Thanks!

B

Steering Versus Full Extension
 

The advice to fully Cock the Left Wrist to remove Power Package Wobble is not in the book. Instead, it is in the words of Homer Kelley himself in his GSEM Instructor training classes.

Regarding 'holding on' -- Steering per 3-F-7-A -- I see no danger. Remember, Wristcock is a Perpendicular Motion. It seeks Full Extension of the Left Arm and Club per 2-P. And trust me, either Centrifugal Force (Swinging) or Muscular Thrust (Hitting) is doing everything it can to make that happen!

A Third Way To Zero Power Accumulator #3
 

Previously, we've discussed two ways to Zero Power Accumulator #3 (the angle formed by the Left Arm and Club).

1. Grip the Club in the cup of the Left Hand.

2. Fully Uncock the Left Wrist (Reverse Wristcock).

There is a third way...

Who knows what it is?

:-k

Reach out for the ball...
 

like Moe Norman. I tried it for 3 yrs and it frequently resulted in "fore left!!".
Off topic: This site is the best. Outstanding. Thank you all, especially :mrgreen:, for your expertise and guidance.
Have a good one...pshr

Still Listening...
 

Thanks for your kind comments, pshr. We've got our first anniversary coming up on the 20th, and as we approach 2,000 members in only one year, we are grateful for what has come, but even more, we are excited by what lies ahead.

Regarding the 'third way' to Zero Power Accumulator #3, sorry :sad: ...

Moe's super-extended Left Arm was merely his way of effecting a Left Wrist Uncock (Zero alternative #2).

Still listening...

Who else would have a 'go' at the 'third way' to zero #3?

Would number 3 be to Not turn it to the plane.

how about...
 

run the club up the inside of the left forearm?

Vertical hinging

Try Again, SwingNorthtoSouth!
 

It is true that Turn and Roll emphasize the #3 Accumulator ('Half' Wrist Action per 10-18-C). And eliminating it would minimize the Action. However, it would still be there unless otherwise Zeroed.

Back To The Drawing Board, Milan
 

No, milan. The technique you suggest only helps assure a Flat Left Wrist. And that condition -- whether Visual or Geometric -- is always present in a true #3 Accumulator Roll.

swing on left shoulder inclined plane angle.

Another Valiant Effort
 

Nice try, Tom. :)

But...

The Left Shoulder Plane is the theoretical Plane Angle established when the #3 Accumulator has been Zeroed (7-13). It is therefore synonymous with Zero #3 Accumulator, not a technique for producing it.

Try again!

Change Grip Type.....10-2-E

Two out of three aint bad.
 

Cut off your left arm?:???:

10-3-H Paw

I like the idea of the grip change, though it probably isn't. I would have voted for 10-2-F

How about keep the left wrist flat and rotate the left hand on the club so that the palm is facing the plane. But, then you could argue that doing this would be the same as the other two.
So, you could swing with the right arm only (no left hand on club).

I agree with Leo...

Then you have to include 10-3-G pick

Vertical Hinge
 

In my opinion, using a vertical hinge action there is no Power Accumulator #3