Certainly not the model I'd choose either BUT . . . he's got the imperatives licked . . .



CF allows you to get away with some stuff . . . that's why Homer said you could "Swing in your sleep."

Bluegrass Comin'
 

BANGOS!

I knew I forgot something. Thanks, Bucket!

My Point exactly.....Thank You......RPM around the Right Arm Flying Wedge.

With 10-2-D, RPM and Velocity are not the same for the Left Hand/Clubhead. But it travels at the same RPM of the Right Hand.

It stays as an UNRESOLVED ISSUE. :) :) :)

Banjos and Alcohol. I’m getting my own ROOM! :naughty:

That's an older picture of Vijay's sequence before he wrecked it last year.

In this sequence, his right wrist would be bent.

I didn't know that NC had Banjos...

This cat's been to see everybody . . . solution . . . hand him another 2000 balls and say have at it big fella.

He ain't changing none of that sloppy looking mess. BUT he satisfies the imperatives . . . enough to have what 4 majors?

Hogan FOUND it in the dirt . . . Vijay just keeps beatin' it like it owes him money.

Late to Bed . . . Early To Rise
 

Daryl,

For more than a few days now, in my own insomnia, I see you both ends of the spectrum. At the very least, we should get our IMs working!

I know you and Mrs. Daryl are off to Jackson Hole tomorrow early, but . . .

Your computer is in the light luggage.

See you tomorrow evening!

What are IM's?

Ya, limo at 7:00 am. I have no idea why I'm going. The Golf Course in Jackson Hole is closed.

Please!!!! You're talking Spanish out of the left side of your neck and pig latin out of the right side!!!

You just hammered Sergio and Couples in the Swinger's thread for having a flat right wrist . . . but they still have the same RPM with the LEFT ARM . . .

AGAIN . . .

10-2-G . . . get your steak knife out and carve this in your forehead . .

A bit of Left Wrist Turn properly becomes exactly the same amount of Double Wristcock to keep the Clubshaft On Plane and to maintain Impact Wrist Position. Except with a “True” Swing (6-B-3-0) where Centrifugal Force will produce the “geometric” Flat Left Wrist when there is actually a “visual” Bent Left Wrist. That is, the Clubshaft and the Left Arm are in a straight line per 6-B-3-0 and 2-K regardless of the Left Wrist Position.

I convinced her I'm taking my Laptop. :)

You keep proving my point. Thank You.

I'm outtahere...need..sleeep. :salut:

Jackson Hole!!!! Are y'all nuts!!! It's too freakin' cold to pee outdoors there this time of year.

Do you KNOW what your point is?

Sleep tight . . . Mike O told me he was going to put a hampster's head under your pillow.

5 days of snow shoe's and cross country ski's and cold and Elk and cold and Elk. oh, and Dog Sleds. I'll be pushing.

Same 'Ol Same 'Ol
 

Only until you've had a talk with the lead dog. After that, I've got an idea you'll be PULLED!

:salut:

And the lead dog is the only dog that has any good scenery.

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That's strictly a personal opinion!

Poor Rhythm?
 

I would agree that the imperatives have been met, HOWEVER, I would argue that because the left arm and clubshaft are out of line at follow through, rhythm has been sacrificed and a certain amount of throwaway has occured. I don't care who he is, I do not like it. Maybe if he had better rhythm he wouldn't have to hit so many golf balls!

This discussion is about rhythm isn't it? I personally feel that Rhythm, along with balance, are imperatives and I treat them as such. The clubhead, shaft, left arm (which includes the wrist and shoulder) must all travel at the same rpms, PERIOD. Either the right arm, pivot, or both must drive this power package to a both arms straight position while maintaining rhythm. I do not think this picture illustrates this.

VJ spells rhythm . . . P-E-V-E-R-T-E-D S-W-I-V-E-L

I seen him on the tube talking about "I practice everyday because I'm afraid I'll wake up one morning and lose it."

Well yeah with that clubface swinging around like a screen door in a tornado . . . you probably will lose it dude.

Another good one! Glad to see you have kicked the golf forum habit . . .

Now that the discusion on this issue seems completed, do you agree with the statement:

The Clubhead and Right Hand and Right Forearm "SHOULD" always move at the same RPM from Address to Finish Swivel.

No . . . depends on grip type and what you are trying to do.

Were you this difficult growing up? Let me talk to your wife.

How about "any grip type" and "Right hand TO PLANE" as long as the Right Wrist remains level and Bent"

I'm about to go snowmobiling through Yellowstone, and I'd like to get this resolve before I leave.

This is an extremely good image, even if it isn't the exact thing that does or should happen. At least in the last part of the downswing (final 1/3) until the follow through.

You think I'm a "grown up"????? I'll take that as a compliment!!! Sweet!!!

What does Right Hand to Plane mean?

A dude like Freddie who Re-Cocks and BENDS out of follow through . . . FLATTENS his Right Wrist . . . BUT the club stays on Plane and In-Line with his Left Arm . . .

Now I could see people having beef with Vijay being on the edge of meeting the Imperatives . . . But not Boom Boom.

Lee Buck probably kept his Right Wrist Bent as well as any 10-2-D gripper . . .but he hit it low.

I'm looking at a sequence of Duval . . . his wrist stays bent pretty good but he Up-Plane quicker than Lee Buck. Plus he hits it higher because he has more Tilt.

I think Duval is the best 10-2-D grip model . . . he was as good as anybody when he was winning.

RPM's
 

Daryl,
Ignore this post of mine if it is going to get your thread off track (I know with Bucket involved you are already off track but I'm ingoring that "issue").

No joke- I've been crazy busy so normally I would find it in the 7th edition but can you quote Homer in the 7th edition regarding "Same RPM's or anyone. Then I wouldn't mind chiming on in your thread.

:sleepy: ......... Have you got any new material? The blatant posting to run up your posting totals is so transparent!

If you are talking about axis tilt Lee Buck had as much as just about anyone that made a living at the game. (at least the video/photos I've seen)

What in the world are you talking about? Is this a statement? A question?

Can you please take your finger out of your nose and type with BOTH index fingers.

Mike Oberdorkusloski . . . ROBOT IN DISGUISE.

Come on goober . . . you know how this works . . .





Look at the hips . . .

Aren't hip slant and axis tilt two different things? Lee Buck's left shoulder is very high, and right shoulder very low at impact. To me, this is axis tilt. I agree that Duval's left hip is much higher, right hip much lower at impact and after impact.

Look at Lee Buck Frame 11 vs. Duval Frame 5 . . .

Plus look at Lee Frame 12 vs. this finish . . .

Seeing Is Believing
 

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Here we go:

Take a look at Frame 4.



This is Pivot Lag (with its Downstroke Shoulder Turn Lag per 6-B-4-C) and the Downstroke Release Sequence as explained in 2-M-1.

For those who believe that the 'Magic of the Right Forearm' involves a straightening of the Right Elbow ('Forearm' action) from the Top, please understand that there may be a tremendous difference between Feel and Real.

The Pivot Delivers the Power Package -- Assembled, Loaded and intact with its Power Stored -- deep into the Downstroke. Only then is it Released (the lengthening of the Third Side of the Triangle, the straightening Right Arm).

:)

First me and Daryl are fightin' . . .next me and Mr. & Mrs. Mrodock . . . and now you are trying to get u-no-who out of the woodwork??? Not to mention coming off the top rope on Mike O . . .

There's going to be a lotta people taking fire 'round here now . . . TAKE COVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would you look at that!!!! DD wearing a Titleist cap and hitting a TM Burner with a bubble shaft! Nice stroll down memory lane.

Thanks Bucket!

CG

Too bad his shirt didn't have a 3rd sleeve, purple would have been cute!

Okay, I think I see what you mean, Lee Buck's head is a lot further left at impact than Duval's, same with after impact. I think we were having a debate on semantics more than anything.

As far as Lee Buck's stock low trajectory is concerned another contributing factor would be, in Bobby Clampett's terms, a swing bottom that is far ahead of the ball.