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comdpa 01-31-2006 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teach
Comdpa,

Your generosity is awe-inspiring. You have made many friends who have not had the pleasure of meeting you. Regards,

teach

Hi Teach,

I am giving back what I have been given by the awesome LBG commmunity. Thank you for your kind words....;)
Maybe in the future we will have the opportunity to cross paths with one another.

Martee 01-31-2006 10:16 AM

roll_gybe, nice job on the pictures, labels to support your question.

compda, well the best write up to date that I had seen analzying a golf stroke was by Yoda last month, can't remember the thread, but it was concise,yet detailed. Till then I had yet to really see any other analysis come close to that. Well that has changed. That was a very through analysis and easy to related to the pictures.

also a nice write up on the second question.

bts 01-31-2006 12:40 PM

Wow, comdpa, way to go. Thanks for the effort.

roll - gybe 01-31-2006 03:28 PM

Ok, so now I know there is fog
 
Comdpa, your post really helps me narrow down some of the material and see how it actually applies. Couple of very novice type questions to get me started:

-Stationary head: You are correct, I am trying to stay behind the ball. When I first started, I swayed my hips badly. Then an instructor told me to keep my head still. I began turning around my eyes and developed an ugly reverse pivot. Then a new instructor taught me to turn around my spine. He also added the spine tilt. Kinda more like you might see in a golfdigest article.

So does spine tilt still apply? If so, how do you get your head in the center of your feet?

As you turn, should your butt move back to the target? I’m not sure how to make the proper TGM movement.

-Right Forearm: I thought that looked ok at impact. Is there something I am misinterpreting? Where do you see it off plane. My apologies: I have had a tough time understanding this one for some reason. I’ve read it over and over again, and it’s just not clicking. How can my left wrist cock (yes w/right elbow) if my right forearm is on line with the shaft. I’m not so sure my body can do that, which leads me to believe I’m missing the essence.

As for the RF Pickup, what are you tracing? Is it the shining of the light on the corner of the wall? When in the backswing do you feel torque?

- Sustaining #2: How do you accomplish this? I rehearse it in my practice swing by feeling my rt forearm moving parallel to the ground across my right foot. Is that right? Can’t be b/c it doesn’t work. Are you pulling with the biceps? Is the right hand pulling up on PP#3? I’d love to have a snap release. Screw this sweep thing, right?

- Right Shoulder – where do you see it roundhousing? I am sure it does, but I need more clarification. My conscious thought in this swing was to make a slight pause at the top to leave my hands while I moved my hips back to center. I thought this would bring the shoulder down. I’ve tried to swing by starting the shoulder down first. The problem has been a push slice and weak contact with longer clubs. Shorter irons are ok with this method, which feels like a more right-sided move.

I wish I could be more specific, but I guess that is part of the goal. I appreciate all the feedback. Now I just have to take my understanding a step farther and get the most out of all your effort!

phimaynard 01-31-2006 04:37 PM

Yoda's post
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martee
roll_gybe, nice job on the pictures, labels to support your question.

compda, well the best write up to date that I had seen analzying a golf stroke was by Yoda last month, can't remember the thread, but it was concise,yet detailed. Till then I had yet to really see any other analysis come close to that. Well that has changed. That was a very through analysis and easy to related to the pictures.
also a nice write up on the second question.

Hi Martee
Sharing your opinion ++
Suppose Yoda's thread was #9 in
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=1978
Most of great technical posts are secured in my library :)
PM

comdpa 02-01-2006 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bts
Wow, comdpa, way to go. Thanks for the effort

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martee
roll_gybe, nice job on the pictures, labels to support your question.

compda, well the best write up to date that I had seen analzying a golf stroke was by Yoda last month, can't remember the thread, but it was concise,yet detailed. Till then I had yet to really see any other analysis come close to that. Well that has changed. That was a very through analysis and easy to related to the pictures.
also a nice write up on the second question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phimaynard
Hi Martee
Sharing your opinion ++
Suppose Yoda's thread was #9 in
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=1978
Most of great technical posts are secured in my library :)
PM

Thank y'all for the kind words.

comdpa 02-01-2006 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roll - gybe
Comdpa, your post really helps me narrow down some of the material and see how it actually applies. Couple of very novice type questions to get me started:

-Stationary head: You are correct, I am trying to stay behind the ball. When I first started, I swayed my hips badly. Then an instructor told me to keep my head still. I began turning around my eyes and developed an ugly reverse pivot. Then a new instructor taught me to turn around my spine. He also added the spine tilt. Kinda more like you might see in a golfdigest article.

So does spine tilt still apply? If so, how do you get your head in the center of your feet?

As you turn, should your butt move back to the target? I’m not sure how to make the proper TGM movement.

-Right Forearm: I thought that looked ok at impact. Is there something I am misinterpreting? Where do you see it off plane. My apologies: I have had a tough time understanding this one for some reason. I’ve read it over and over again, and it’s just not clicking. How can my left wrist cock (yes w/right elbow) if my right forearm is on line with the shaft. I’m not so sure my body can do that, which leads me to believe I’m missing the essence.

As for the RF Pickup, what are you tracing? Is it the shining of the light on the corner of the wall? When in the backswing do you feel torque?

- Sustaining #2: How do you accomplish this? I rehearse it in my practice swing by feeling my rt forearm moving parallel to the ground across my right foot. Is that right? Can’t be b/c it doesn’t work. Are you pulling with the biceps? Is the right hand pulling up on PP#3? I’d love to have a snap release. Screw this sweep thing, right?

- Right Shoulder – where do you see it roundhousing? I am sure it does, but I need more clarification. My conscious thought in this swing was to make a slight pause at the top to leave my hands while I moved my hips back to center. I thought this would bring the shoulder down. I’ve tried to swing by starting the shoulder down first. The problem has been a push slice and weak contact with longer clubs. Shorter irons are ok with this method, which feels like a more right-sided move.

I wish I could be more specific, but I guess that is part of the goal. I appreciate all the feedback. Now I just have to take my understanding a step farther and get the most out of all your effort!

Hey buddy...

Would love to answer your questions, but I just finished a gruelling 23 hour journey back home to sunny Singapore.

Was just contemplating a video to explain your queries...hmmm

comdpa 02-04-2006 01:13 PM

Ok roll, I will insert my answers into your original post. Again, please feel free to correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by roll - gybe
Comdpa, your post really helps me narrow down some of the material and see how it actually applies. Couple of very novice type questions to get me started:

-Stationary head: You are correct, I am trying to stay behind the ball. When I first started, I swayed my hips badly. Then an instructor told me to keep my head still. I began turning around my eyes and developed an ugly reverse pivot. Then a new instructor taught me to turn around my spine. He also added the spine tilt. Kinda more like you might see in a golfdigest article.

So does spine tilt still apply? Yes, it does, only not as much as you were taught. If so, how do you get your head in the center of your feet? When you brush your teeth in the morning, how do you set your head in the center of your stance? By not doing anything to shift it off center! In golf, the strangest things can happen in that we are sometimes taught to contort our bodies out of their natural positions.

As you turn, should your butt move back to the target? I’m not sure how to make the proper TGM movement. Turn where? Backstroke or Downstroke?

-Right Forearm: I thought that looked ok at impact. Is there something I am misinterpreting? Yes, my post addressed off plane right forearm at ADDRESS. Where do you see it off plane. My apologies: I have had a tough time understanding this one for some reason. I’ve read it over and over again, and it’s just not clicking. How can my left wrist cock (yes w/right elbow) if my right forearm is on line with the shaft. Its inline when viewed from the side only at address and impact. At the top, the right forearm will be perpendicular to the clubshaft if swinging, it will be perpendicular to the left arm when hitting (7-3) I’m not so sure my body can do that, which leads me to believe I’m missing the essence.

As for the RF Pickup, what are you tracing? You trace the plane line. Is it the shining of the light on the corner of the wall? Wall? When in the backswing do you feel torque? In the Golfing Machine, "torque" is not mentioned. Torque is a seems-as-if of power in golf. It is not included in the Power Package because torque cannot produce power in the swing. It can produce back problems however.

- Sustaining #2: How do you accomplish this? I rehearse it in my practice swing by feeling my rt forearm moving parallel to the ground across my right foot. Is that right? Can’t be b/c it doesn’t work. Are you pulling with the biceps? No. Is the right hand pulling up on PP#3? I’d love to have a snap release. Screw this sweep thing, right? Yes, but this will be the issue of another thread altogether.

- Right Shoulder – where do you see it roundhousing? In the Frames that I outlined. I am sure it does, but I need more clarification. My conscious thought in this swing was to make a slight pause at the top to leave my hands while I moved my hips back to center. A better way is...stand with your right side facing a mirror. Use tape and mark the Turned Shoulder Plane, take your Hands up and down that plane and identify the Feel. Now go to the ball with club in hand and make sure you replicate what your Hands felt in front of the mirror. I thought this would bring the shoulder down. I’ve tried to swing by starting the shoulder down first. The problem has been a push slice and weak contact with longer clubs. Shorter irons are ok with this method, which feels like a more right-sided move.

I wish I could be more specific, but I guess that is part of the goal. I appreciate all the feedback. Now I just have to take my understanding a step farther and get the most out of all your effort! You are most welcome buddy!


roll - gybe 02-04-2006 02:29 PM

cool, thanks for the response.

My question about the rear end moving toward the target relates to the backswing. I was taught that the left hip and cheek are not allowed to get closer to the target on the backswing. This is the case even if the head doesn't move closer to the target. As I play around with a pivot that keeps my head in the middle, it seems like the only way to execute that move is to allow the cheek to move down the line. I admit this looks more Hoganesque, but it feels unstable and weak. I am also a little paranoid about reverse-pivoting, so maybe these sensations are a mental constuct.

In regards to the right forarm, you comment that it should be at 90d to the shaft at the top. Where to I stand in this relation? It looks to me like my elbow is pointed too much toward vertical. Do I need to let that go out a little? Will that make it harder to get my elbow to my hip in the downswing?

I did a search for the right forarm pickup. Let me know if my interpretation sounds accurate. The right forarm starts the motion and traces the plane line. I should apply extensor action to keep the left arm gently taught. The right forarm should appear to stay above my left arm much longer than it currently does. Let me know your thoughts on that. It is a world away from what I'm doing, and I have no idea if and how it will work!

Also, could someone help me understand the plane line? I gather that it is not just the target line. Does the plane line work inside the target line?

Also, what do people mean when they refer to the right arm being perpendicular to the plane? I've seen this comment a few times.

One more (sorry) - EdZ mentioned hitting balls out to right field and hooking them back in. Easy enough if I tilt and flip! However, what should I work on to make sure I meet the FLW condition and to induce me to ROLL my wrists over? From my pics you can see that I hang on the whole way and never get the club back on plane after impact.

THANKS !

Mike O 02-05-2006 03:09 AM

Handicap
 
Roll gybe.
I might have missed it- what's your handicap?


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