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mgjordan 02-18-2005 07:32 PM

Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1
Wow talk about a defogger!!! All this time i thought the right forearm had to be on plane even for the mid body hands. So that means that both when hitting and swinging the right forearm starts offplane in the standard address position. If this is correct which it obviously must be then i think there are countless numbers among us that misunderstood.

As a footnote Homer actually states standard address a his preferred procedure for both hitting and swinging in chapter 12. He interestingly mentions 10-9-A Standard being "especially useful" for swinging and 10-9-B for the same hitting however. I wonder how close he was to using the Impact address in chapter 12?


I'm still light headed from finally learning unless we start at impact address the right forearm will not be in line with the shaft.

John

Impact fix and standard can both have the right forarm on the same plane.

DOCW3 02-18-2005 08:36 PM

Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
John~


<<I'm still light headed from finally learning unless we start at impact address the right forearm will not be in line with the shaft. <<

Maybe its the camera angle but 9-2-2#2 and 9-2-3#1 would seem to stimulate a discussion :?:

DRW

JohnThomas1 02-18-2005 10:55 PM

Actually you guys are right. We will have to look at it deeper. 9-2-1#2 is even more telling DRW, the forearm is onplane even in the shown mid body adress position. I think we need Annikan back, and Yoda and his apprentice might shed some more light as well when they are available. I love these defogging discussions, so much learning to be had :)

John

annikan skywalker 02-18-2005 10:56 PM

Gentlemen,
What ever happened to "USEFUL", BUT NOT HAVE TO IN THE POST I SUBMITTED?
Come on Guys!!! Give us a break here!!! Of Course, if you raise the Plane of the Clubshaft "up" to the plane of the right forearm you CAN have the shaft at Either Impact FIX or AJUSTED ADDRESS depending on your location of your Hands and GRIP TYPE....IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE TECHNICAL YOU MIGHT AS WELL RAISE THE SHAFT PLANE AND ELBOW PLANE UP TO THE SQUARED SHOULDER PLANE.... THERE NOW YOU REALLY CAN SWING WITHOUT A PLANE SHIFT.

Let's settle down and not be so radical, Annikan....Please settle down. don't be so darn "Dogmatic" There can be a flexible approach to learning you know!

Sorry.. Back to Business at Hand!!!!

Some players set a Sharper #3 Accumulator, More Waist Bend and a deeper Knee Bend (Jodie Mudd and Grant Waite) which places the Clubshaft on a "Hands Only" address Plane Angle then sometimes either early, gradually, or later they shift up to the Elbow Plane and then perhaps up to a Turned Shoulder Plane. By choice! They can come down in a variety of ways... depending on their INTENTIONS FOR THE SHOT AT HAND!!!

Or they may set-up with Less #3 Accumulator, Less Waist Bend, and Less Knee Bend (Wayne Levi and Don January) they may shift early to either the Squared Shoulder, Turning Shoulder, or right on up the TURNED SHOULDER and then come down in a wide variety of ways depending on the players INTENTIONS FOR THE SHOT AT HAND.... Confusing....

Bottom Line: Your set-up is determined by your INTENTIONS WITH THE SHOT AT HAND....Learn the Rules ....Apply the Rules!!!!

1-B Treating a complex subject or action as though it were SIMPLE, MULTIPLIES ITS COMPLEXITY because of the difficulty in systematizing missing and unknown factors or elements. Demanding that golf instruction be kept simple does not make it simple - ONLY INCOMPLETE AND INEFFECTIVE....
- Homer Kelley

Studying only "ONE" of the two patterns will not give you an education of this entire beautiful system called"The Golfing Machine" Learn your pattern and "Appreciate" others.


"We only like what we're trained to see!"
-Greg McHatton


What happens when you set-up on the Hands-Only Plane, Elbow Plane, Turned Shoulder, Squared Shoulder? What affects the Clubface, Clubhead, and Clubshaft , the Ball when employing these variations?...That is where the real learning takes place and the machine displays its greatest power
I really do not believe one can only learn the machine by only using just one pattern....Become familiar or to some level of understanding of your own , then "Taste -Test" its variations and select compatible components that are your favorites that must fit your stroke pattern...and YOUR INTENTIONS!!!!

Champions are NOT BORN, THEY ARE MADE!!!!

Annikan

JohnThomas1 02-18-2005 11:15 PM

Sorry for any indiscretion Annikan.

Yoda, what are your teachings concerning the RF. Do you teach your students to have it onplane for impact and standard address? Would you pretty much always change it to onplane if so? I know you are very big on the onplane RF and i think you teach it as standard?


Thanks guys :)

John


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