As MJ posted, it is traced with PP#3, covering the baseline is an illusion. I doubt you are toying with a pivot powered stroke as totally ignorant hands are needed and yours aren't. A hands controlled pivot is NOT a pivotless golf stroke.

I hope he is, because Pivot Power is required!

Also, I presume no one thinks I implied that Hand Control implies no Pivot. On the contrary, he should start his tracing practice with Acquired Motion, which uses the Pivot to move the hands.

No I don't think anyone did but the one nut in all my TGM years to define is the role of the pivot in relation with the hands. Its the first thing taught by TGM, hands control the pivot but the pivot moves the hands so go straighten that out. Other then a small chip shot with flying wedges set and the motion almost all pivot, you have to have own some pretty untrained hands to be in the pivot controlled hands world.

What the world needs now...
 

So we have no enemies only teachers-Ed z's line is good. With a 10.7 hcp. index I still have a lot to learn. That will get better as my chipping/sand game becomes routine with the use of the vertically un-cocking left wrist.

So I was sitting next to one of our coaches who had an online article he wrote about a local tournament. Says he's a seven hcp. I mentioned my lack of distance and he said he was a big Ben Hogan fan and spoke about how he tuned left by pulling his elbow left but the ball position has to be forward. :read: Which sounds similar to Whip's bumping the hip and pulling it behind me.

So tomorrow I'll trace and march heel/heel and try a few shots pulling the elbow left as a down swing like stepping and swinging a bat. I know I can use the aiming point to the ball or to a location and I understand the priority of a hands controlled pivot. I know McHatton speaks of stepping left too. I might discover the secret is as simple as deciding to hit the ball further with the aiming point.

Report back soon. Thanks guys.

ICT

best chipping advice I ever got : use a short hit stroke, let the folding right arm cock the left wrist, straighten right arm into ball which uncorks a passive left wrist.

You will be not be TGM compliant, which requires the left arm to be inert. :naughty:

I suspect that you need to address the massive rotor if you have distance 'issues' when swinging. If a full correct shoulder turn were easy for everybody, then, according to a statistic I made up for this post, 80% of the population wouldn't suck at golf.

Bumpy

Edit: I went back and read some of your posts. You appear to be focusing on the downswing. You either have your backswing (the hard part for older golfers) down cold or you have a blind spot.

Remember the old song, the knee bone is connected to the shoulder bone.
see: 7-16.....the primary function of the knee action- as with waist bend- is to maintain a motionless Head durning the stroke. Shoulder turn freedom as I see and feel it.

also 10-16-A & 10-16-B

That's Interesting.
 

I had not really put together how "inert" inert means. Very interesting. So then if the hands are active that is one thing and they must be to control the various hinges, aim-points pulls or pushes. So then it is hands controlling the pivot.

Very useful. Thanks!


ICT

Very observant and logical!
 

Bumpy, Lynn gave me the proper MacDonald drills when I met with him and the whole alignments of swinging. Just a little lift of my knee or a Right Forearm Takeaway and I am good. My deal is distance. :crybaby: I am in the middle of the fairway a lot, but not in the middle of the green unless I use an angle hinge and angle of approach from an RFT or use an aiming point and pull the handle to the desired point on the ball, and the ground is hard. With those thing my best score is 76.

I am demanding a lot from TGM because I believe it has lots of insight and answers. Today, I turned my back fully to the target as Whip suggested and pivoted on my left heel sending my hip around back of me with my angle hinge lined up. I was in the middle of the fairway all day but could not control my second shot. Ball position was off I'm sure. I was shooting a 10 yard draw all day and I was running into sand and off the green etc. My chips mostly saved me and my vertically un-cocking left wrist made easy work out of the sand (hitting out of the sand is good too imho).

I know the deal is in the hands and hinges. I would just like to hit the odd 7 or 8 iron to the green on 400 yard plus holes instead of figuring out where to bounce my hybrid into the hole. Turning my back to the hole with my back swing seems powerful and full. Maybe a little right heel lift or an aim-point pulling the handle to the back of the ball. :read:

Hope y'all are playing this weekend and holiday. :)

By the way, it's a political season and I just thought I'd mention what a thoughtful and moving speech I thought Mr. Romney gave in a week of good speeches. Of course doing good is needed but I liked his speech and keep thinking of it. Seems like a nice family. Best wishes to everyone's family, our armed forces, and first responders. :golfcart:

God bless all of us.


ICT


I shot an 85 after throwing away a few shorter putts but the best the round could have been was an 80 or so.