Lag
 

Love the way pic #4 shows such great lag storage. You can almost feel the lag in PP2! Looks like a classic case of the swinger's PP#3 being rotated to the top of the shaft. (Ref Yoda's "PP#3 Where Are You" video).

Nice isoloation for comparison.

CG

I don't care what you do on your own time . . . but you and Mike can do whatever you do with semantics in your own closets.

Semantics
 

What are you doing saying thinking when I do think I said that you should YA that's right then if you listen to what I said you would know that when the semantics aren't left you would not be able to go there - I think because yes I was there - well you would need to go under and then - Oh of course- now what were you talking about?:eyes: Does anyone know where I put my medicine?

Dear Bucket,

Please locate your copy of The Golfing Machine. What color is the Book Cover? If there are Animals on the front cover, I’m afraid you’re referencing a different book.

I read in the “Homecoming” thread that Yoda may offer a pre-clinic -TGM-cram-session the day before the seminar begins. I personal messaged him and begged him to reserve a front row seat for you.

At the HEART of TGM is the Principle that the Right wrist remains bent and level from start-up to finish swivel so that the Clubhead travels at the same RPM as the Right Hand during this time. The Right elbow, allows the Left Wrist to Cock and Uncock.

By the way; that picture thing of David Duval,,Idon’t know how he ever made it on tour with that swing.

I wish I didn’t have this little Laptop, and I have time constraints, or I’d write a two page explanation. :golf:

6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter 8) the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).

Bold by Daryl. And Bucket? May I ask? If the Left Wrist is always Flat, the the Right Wrist is always Level and ______________?

And, if the Right Wrist is ALWAYS Level and Bent, then doesn't the Clubhead travel at the same RPM as the Right Hand??

Homer analyzed Bobby Clampett's swing and he did not hesitate to point out those matters that he felt were less than optimal. I understand criticizing one's analysis, but I don't understand criticizing the act of analysis.

I'm Italian. Believe me, it's normal. :)

Dude you are the best!!!! Have you ever rammed your car into a tree because you told it to move and it wouldn't?

So let me axe you a question . . . If with a true 10-2-D grip the Left Wrist Cocks in the plane of the Right Wrist Bend . . . Could the Right Wrist not UNBEND inorder for the Left Wrist to Uncock? Looks like to me that's what Freddy does . . . Double D doesn't and Lee doesn't . . .But Freddy does.

When you get back from Jackson's Hole . . . please present your dissertation on why Double D's motion sux. That should be good for about 300 more posts.

You haven't got your tongue stuck to no flag poles out there in winter wonderland have you?

But there's that pesky word he left in your bold underlined dealie . . . "ideally"

But I'd say yes . . . "ideally" they have the same RPM . . .

"ideally" I'd look like Tom Cruise instead of Richard Crews . . . "ideally" Mrodock wouldn't need have a sex change to be a woman . . . "ideally" Lynn wouldn't have pissed off Mike O and be roasting marshmellows as his home burns to the ground . . .

Lattitude not platitudes my man.

First of all, Mike O says that you look just as good as Tom Cruise; from behind. I thought Mrodock was a woman? She's not? I thought she was a Grad Student in Wisconsin. Girlscouting or sumthin?

Secondly, I’m glad you brought that up. The word “Ideally”. Homer knows that the Right Wrist and Clubhead, will always have the same RPM (In TGM). The word “Ideally” refers to those when using 10-2-B.

He is saying that if you use 10-2-B, then the ideal Hands To Plane alignments exist for both hands. Flat Left Wrist, and Level Right Wrist simultaneously, and not just Level and Bent Right Wrist with just any other Left Wrist Alignment.

Damn. I'm really getting good at this stuff. :) :)

We're really close to agreeing on something . . .

BUT . . . Mrodock is not yet a woman . . . and I bear a striking resemblence to Ned Betty.

Once you figure out that Sergio and Double D and Lee Buck don't need fixing . . . you'll really be gettin' good.

I never said they need fixing. I said that I wouldn't know how to fix their swings because my knowledge of the Golf Swing is entirely founded on the hinged action of angular motion on an inclined plane and until they show me a primary Lever, I don't know how to prevent their Clubhead Throwaway (which may be the only problem they have). Not that it's been too much of a problem for them (Except Double D). :)

Are you sure about Mrodock? I could swear I heard a little “nurturing” mixed with a dash of “protection mechanism” in those comments of his. :laughing9

He really blows his cool. Let's get him in a poker game.:)

Cool!!! Now we got something to fight about again . . . please explain how Double D is a club tosser???

You poker you brought her.

DD couldn't make the cut at the Milwaukee Open. He went from World #1 to losing his lunch money to mrodock on a 9 hole putt-putt course. He couldn't get through 18 holes if you dragged him with a Golf Cart.

I don't think that my laptop has enough Ram to hold a description of all of his swing problems.

It all started when he got Married. :)

Poker? I don't even KNOW her!!!

good point on the married . . . I'm sure mrodock will be hot enough after the big operation to meet his lowered standards now that he's not making that much smack . . . Mr.&Mrs.Mrodock the homewrecker from Wisconsin. . . that should get him back into the 10 ten at least.

Dd...doa?
 

I watched DD for about 2 hours on the range at the 1994 PGA. He was an absolute "machine", not neccessarily a 1-L machine, but pretty impressive. I got pics somewhere. Maybe we can type up a to do list and send it to his cabin in the alps! Seriously though I always enjoyed his stoic demeanor. I too hide behind Oakleys (DD signature M frames!)

I am curious to know where he is going wrong, outside of psych-eval. Pray tell.

No .Where is acc#3 in this discussion.It doesn't exist in the right hand.
If you are talking bent right wrist you could be talking bowed,flat ,cocked,uncocked,level-left wrist.The cocking of the left is what allows it to uncock and set up the increase in surface speed without altering the RPM of the WHOLE.
Or am I missing something ?
I confess I haven't read every post in this thread -I stopped reading when Bucket got silly(about page 2).I thought I'd got him posting in his own box again:-s

WHAT??? Not a 1-L Machine??? Are you nuts in the braincell? You gotta stop reading Daryl's posts . . . you are catching his disease . . . STOP HANGING WITH THE LEPERS!!!

You put 1-L up . . . I GUARANDANGTEE that Doulbe D in his hayday satisfied each and everyone of them deals.

You post 1-L and I'll get you a sequence or a video up and we'll check 'em off one by one. We'll go thru it . . . I'll take the under #4 until Daryl has a conniption fit.

Simmer down, Beavis!
 

Sorry Bucket,

I shouda put a wink icon there! I just like to get you riled up! I think Puggy Blackmon and Alex Sloan were connected some how, so no doubt there were 24 compatible components there. I wonder if DD had a sense of them?

I think DD found a "purpose" . . . that dude is different than your average tour player I'd think.

Word on the street is when he went to Haney . . . Haney tried to change his grip . . . If that's true . . . he may be a bigger retard than me.

Plus he was WAAAAAAAY better when he was FAT . . . there's a lesson to be learned there for all of you white belt wearing metros.

Could be why he might make some "noise" this year. Put some weight back on and from what I've heard has a little fire again.

I hope so man . . . he's my favorite dude out there.

You only had to hear his speech when he won the Open championship in 2001... astonishingly eloquent, honest, sincere and gracious... i never liked him until i heard that speech (to be honest never really paid much attention to him)... but that speach showed that he was a real top class human being and the fact that he held the claret jug at the time showed that he was a top class player.

I think there's a lot of stuff going on in that dude's head.

Plus gotta love a dude for coming back home . . . Fat rules.

I was equally impressed and agree with you wholeheartedly.:salut:

The man is very, very 'umble.:)

Double D’s swing problems are symptomatic of golf swings from which extraordinary effort builds a fragile web of relationships of compensations.

Almost all of the professional and amateur Golfers have little knowledge of Swing Mechanics. But, we infallibly confuse Years and Experience and consider Years of Experience equivalent to Knowledge. A pro with 30 years experience and trophies on his shelf is invariably hailed as Grand Master of Golf Knowledge but the reality is seldom as enchanting. They mostly repeat whaever they learn in their first year, 30 times. Without understanding the geometry and physics of the golf stroke as Homer discovered, more problems lead to more confusion and fewer solutions.

But Swing Mechanics is not Golf. Golf is a game. Swing Mechanics is the study of the relationships that produce impact alignments which makes ball behavior controllable.

David’s’ problem is in his head. I don’t think his swing mechanics have changed much. At the PGA level, desire and confidence is 99%. His loss of the first led to his lack of the second. :)

What's that saying from some movie my wife often quotes? "it's not about the Got, it's about the Get"

My Take
 

When you ask yourself after hoisting the Claret Jug "Is this all there is?" you have a personal crisis on your hands.

Out of Georgia Tech DD was a fearless competitor...ruthless even. My guess is that he read something...heard something...that got him thinking about the "ultimate concerns" compared to which golf is relegated to a non-issue of inconsequential irrelevance! Tough to get fired up when you are the pensive, brooding type. Once he intergrates his life and finds a workable slot for tour golf I think he will surge back. Of course, he may turn to the solitude of snowboarding and writing in his journal.


DISCLAIMER! The above statements do not neccessarily represent the thoughts and ideas of someone who actually knows!

It is possible, some part of him, no matter how small, wanted to see if he could enjoy life while shooting 85. His problems with vertigo certainly didn't help anything and he said once he had the health problems (and back problems) he started to make compensations and pretty soon could no longer find the golf swing that brought him all the glory.

At his prime, I think DD had one of the best swings in the history of the game, not a swing built on power and compensations. It isn't as though he's this marvelous compensator now when he doesn't have it.

I agree, Duval had a marvelous swing. At one time he was the longest, straightest driver of the golf ball in professional golf. I don't think you get to that level of enlightenment with a golf swing built on compensations. His swing satisfied all of the imperatives and the essentials. So, I really do not understand the lack of respect for his swing.

Thank you glcoach!!!

If there's compensations in DD's move. . . somebody please describe them to me and my man glcoach.

Let's talk about this . . .

Don't all swings have compensations? One single Golfer using Chipping, Pitching, Punching and Full Swings can have different compensations for each and may vary from Basic to Total Motion. It's useful to study all lengths of shots. A well compensated swing is a great achievement however so slight. A well compensated swing has repeatable results.

One of the differences that separate TGM from other wannabe systems is that you can vary power by adding accumulators and get even further refinement by varying the amount of accumulator. That means that you can add power without adding any more compensations or changing the ones you already have. TGM ROCKS.

I couldn’t find David’s name among our Roster of members. Hmm? Maybe he’s using a different name. :)

Loading at Start-up is compensation. Any component adjustment that disturbs the "Magic of the Right Forearm" is compensation. And that's just a start. Minor? Maybe. Personal preferences? Maybe. :)

You asked. I gave it to ya.

Uhhh . . .what exactly did you give to me??? Do I need to get a shot or something?

I offered you another perspective on Component compensations.

It's a Glass "half empty" or "half full" kinda thing. Compensations aren't always a bad thing. We all need them. Compensations are bad when you use one mistake to correct another.

What are the compensations specifically catdaddy?

One in particular, which I don’t find annoying as Homer did, is that David reverse rolls his right hand at the start of the downswing. He needs that to compensate for his Single Wrist Action Backstroke (because of his 10-2-D Grip) to keep his Clubshaft On Plane to Sequence his Snap Release. 10-18-B Downstroke.

His wide open body geometry at Impact compensates for his 10-2-D grip.

His 10-2-D Grip compensates for his Late Strike.

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