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Yoda 03-23-2005 12:24 PM

When Push Comes To Shove
 
The key to the Push Basic Stroke is to move the Right Forearm back and through along the line it is positioned. The Right Elbow acts as a piston and only bends and straightens. It does not Fan.

If the Forearm is positioned pointing at the Plane Line, you get automatic Angled Hinging (the Clubface angles across the Line at the end of the Follow-Through).

If it is positioned parallel to the Plane Line, you get automatic Vertical Hinging (the Clubface remains Square to the Line).

Most people who attempt Push Basic really don't do it. In other words, they don't merely bend and straighten the Right Elbow while keeping the Body -- especially the Right Shoulder -- still (Putt Minor Basic Stroke per 10-3-E). Instead, they freeze their bent Arms -- Paw Minor Basic Stroke (10-3-H) -- and move the Club by rocking their Shoulders.

The real benefit of the Push Basic Stroke is that you can Stroke the Short Shots with great authority...and yet maintain absolute control of distance. The ponderous, pushing Motion simply is incapable of producing any real Clubhead velocity. That is why beginners should avoid using it until they have learned to Fan the Right Forearm. But once Fanning is mastered, heed the words of Homer Kelley:

"Get in there and work it to death. It's a beautiful procedure."

Sbark 03-23-2005 01:59 PM

Re: When Push Comes To Shove
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
The key to the Push Basic Stroke is to move the Right Forearm back and through along the line it is positioned. The Right Elbow acts as a piston and only bends and straightens. It does not Fan.

If the Forearm is positioned pointing at the Plane Line, you get automatic Angled Hinging (the Clubface angles across the Line at the end of the Follow-Through).

If it is positioned parallel to the Plane Line, you get automatic Vertical Hinging (the Clubface remains Square to the Line).

Most people who attempt Push Basic really don't do it. In other words, they don't merely bend and straighten the Right Elbow while keeping the Body -- especially the Right Shoulder -- still (Putt Minor Basic Stroke per 10-3-E). Instead, they freeze their bent Arms -- Paw Minor Basic Stroke (10-3-H) -- and move the Club by rocking their Shoulders.

The real benefit of the Push Basic Stroke is that you can Stroke the Short Shots with great authority...and yet maintain absolute control of distance. The ponderous, pushing Motion simply is incapable of producing any real Clubhead velocity. That is why beginners should avoid using it until they have learned to Fan the Right Forearm. But once Fanning is mastered, heed the words of Homer Kelley:

"Get in there and work it to death. It's a beautiful procedure."

Yoda----I presume, (notice not assume), that ability to use diff. hindge action w/ 10-3-c is limited? If not please describe....thanks much

Yoda 03-23-2005 04:28 PM

More On Push Basic And Hinging
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sbark
[Yoda----I presume, (notice not assume), that ability to use diff. hindge action w/ 10-3-c is limited? If not please describe....thanks much.

[Bold by Yoda.]

Hitting or Swinging, any of the three Hinge Actions may be used with any of the three Major Basic Strokes.

By nature, the Push Basic Stroke is a Hitting procedure. Accordingly, its Right Arm Drive Out Action (of the Clubhead) tends to automatically produce Angled Hinging (of the Clubface).

However, as I stated in my prior post, automatic Vertical Hinging may be produced simply by positioning the driving Right Forearm parallel to the Plane Line.

Finally, at the player's option, Horizontal Hinging may be utilized, even though this is normally the province of the Swinger and his Centrifugal Throw-Out Action. Such a procedure requires that the player deliberately override the Hitting Stroke's natural Angled Hinging, and also, that the Stroke accomodate the difference in Rhythm between the two, i.e., Horizontal Hinging's longer Clubhead Travel and faster rate (and degree) of Clubface Closing.

DDL 03-23-2005 09:44 PM

Is this hitting chip shot pushing stroke good training for full stroke swings? I feel all these little nuggets of enlightenment only apply to hitters and us poor swinngers get left out.

Swingers use a pitch elbow position and an underhanded slapping motion. However, near and at impact, does the forearm make the same motion as described by Doug for the push basic stroke? Along the line that the right forearm is positioned at impact fix? If not , then how should swingers train their stroke for short shots?

Yoda 03-23-2005 10:33 PM

Push Basic Stroke -- More Q&A
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DDL
Is this hitting chip shot pushing stroke good training for full stroke swings? I feel all these little nuggets of enlightenment only apply to hitters and us poor swinngers get left out.

Swingers use a pitch elbow position and an underhanded slapping motion. However, near and at impact, does the forearm make the same motion as described by Doug for the push basic stroke? Along the line that the right forearm is positioned at impact fix? If not , then how should swingers train their stroke for short shots?

The lack of Power in the Push Basic Stroke restricts its application to the Short Shots, i.e., Putts, Chips and short Pitches.

Hitting or Swinging, Punch and Pitch Basic Strokes require a Fanning Motion. However, by definition, there can be no Fanning Motion in the ponderous Push Basic. The Forearm can be positioned along the same line for each of the three Major Basic Strokes, but only with Push Basic does the Forearm actually move along that line. Again, with both Punch and Pitch, the Elbow must Fan.

"When does the Elbow Fan?" I asked Homer Kelley as the rain fell outside his study in February 1982.

Said he: "Immediately."

Sbark 03-30-2005 07:51 PM

Chipping---Aim Point
 
Is it advised to look directly at the ball on the "push" shot , chipping and pitching or does one stay with the aim point ahead of the ball with the short club..........

Yoda 04-04-2005 08:04 AM

Aiming The Push Basic Stroke
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sbark
Is it advised to look directly at the ball on the "push" shot , chipping and pitching or does one stay with the aim point ahead of the ball with the short club..........

The primary use of the Aiming Point concept is to control Automatic Releases, both Sweep and Snap. For the Short Shots, I personally use the alternative Impact Hand Location procedure and look at the Ball. When using the Push Basic Stroke, I am very aware of Pushing the Right Forearm through Impact directly toward the Plane Line along the line the Forearm is positioned.

EdZ 04-04-2005 09:46 AM

Lynn - How would you classify Nicklaus of old (full swing)? It sure looks to me that he has 'nearly' a push move, or as close to one as you can get in a full swing. Can you help clarify for me when push becomes punch? Is it simply the fan motion difference? If so, doesn't a punch 'turn into' (pun intended) a push at the last moments before impact? (that magic forearm and elbow again)

Sbark 04-06-2005 12:06 AM

10-3-c
 
......with the excellent distance control, what do you guys think about using similar aciton for putting........pro/cons?
hopefully not a dumb question.....

dclaryjr 04-06-2005 07:02 AM

Re: 10-3-c
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sbark
......with the excellent distance control, what do you guys think about using similar aciton for putting........pro/cons?
hopefully not a dumb question.....

Not a dumb questions at all. Yoda prescribes such a stroke as his method for using a long putter (the instuctions he gave me include bending over and picking the ball out of the cup :D ). Chuck Evans demonstrates it in a video short on his site for a regular putter.


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