Ummm. Ok. What he said!

Sorry. If that means anything related to this discussion I don't know what it is. I'll just pick up on the words "centrifugal force" and try to keep things focussed on that. Otherwise we are back with Humpty Dumpty a few posts above, and words can mean whatever you want them to mean.

...and the centrifugal force acts on?

The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....

Spin a chinese drum, what powers it ?

Perhaps you think the strings are pulling the hands - if you do your intellect is rivaled only by that of garden tools...:rolleyes:

Perhaps again you can reference the words "centrifugal powered swing" from the golfing machine....

You tell me.

You tell me and we'll both know.

You may care to retract that. That's the second personal attack
you've made on me. It doesn't promote your argument at all. In
fact it is probably counter-productive.

Disagree with what I say by all means.

Read above. What does "propelling" mean to you?
Does it have any connotations of force or power?

Now that I'm here can we stick to physics?
As I asked before
...and what does the centrifugal force act on?

Because you didn't bother to read a book before feeling the desire to critique.

Relative to the object - the turning axis is the work involved to create the centripetal force - the string becomes taut - centrifugal force

The faster it spins the more the string becomes at 90 degrees to its axis.....remember it hits the drum "Drum technique. Understand?"

No I said if you thought something your intellect rivals gardening tools - I did not say your intellect rivals gardening tools - subtle but important difference....

Propelling means setting something in motion. Regarding power, heed the words of Mr Miyagi - "Ask drum."

It does help if you understand what your referencing.

Ok, and the centrifugal force acts on?


I missed the straw man argument, but don't mince words. You intended to either be unkind or show your superiority. Either way it is a personal attack.

...and in the context of swinging a golf club that requires?

Propelling is a very well known and understood word. It involves application of force, and the rate of application of force is power. Centrifugal force does not power anything, let alone the golf swing. Either directly or indirectly, Homer said that centrifugal force causes the throw out effect and this makes the clubhead go faster. Centrifugal force does not cause the throw out effect.

So explain the misunderstandings. I've explained that Homer either misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented centrifugal force. I've explained the misunderstanding of the rock and string example. I've explained the common misunderstanding about what the endless belt model shows. Go for it! Tell me where I'm wrong. I can assure you though, that TGM vernacular is not at all essential to understanding centrifugal force. You may also wish to quote something from the TGM book which shows that Homer really did get it right about centrifugal force.

The right arm and flying wedge driving the secondary lever assembly and its onplane relationship with the axis of rotation - right shoulder... why do I have to repeat myself....

No I mean't it as an arguement is absurd....thats your interpretation....

propel

verb

1. To set or keep going: actuate, drive, impel, mobilize, move, run. See move/halt.
2. To launch with great force: fire, hurtle, loose, project, shoot. Idioms: let fly. See move/halt.
3. To force to move or advance with or as if with blows or pressure: drive, push, ram, shove, thrust. See move/halt.
4. To stir to action or feeling: egg on, excite, foment, galvanize, goad, impel, incite, inflame, inspire, instigate, motivate, move, pique, prick, prod, prompt, provoke, set off, spur, stimulate, touch off, trigger, work up. See cause/effect, excite/bore/interest.

Congrats you've figured out that centrifugal force doesn't power anything and it is an effect we deal with - now tell me where Homer says "centrifugal powered swing"... The throw-out action is an action of the right arm which is kept onplane by the right shoulder turning the axis to spin the flywheel - centrifugal force propelling/moving/advancing/launch the secondary lever assembly/right flying wedge/right arm acc#1 into impact just like that string on the drum except it is checkreined against the left arm.... "Drum technique. Understand?"

No, its your job to understand... I should be able to communicate this way with you. Just like a physicist needs to understand Einstein or X physicists theories before trying to disprove ... The onus is on you.....

"Drum technique. Understand?"

Sorry, but that reads as though you left a few words or some punctuation out. If I've misconstrued your two one liners and they were not meant to be personal attacks or demeaning, then that's fine. Others will form their own views of your "Perhaps you think the strings are pulling the hands - if you do your intellect is rivaled only by that of garden tools" proposition.

This time it is because you chose to answer a question which wasn't asked.

Here's the thread...

You wrote: Relative to the object - the turning axis is the work involved to create the centripetal force - the string becomes taut - centrifugal force

I wrote: Ok, and the centrifugal force acts on?

You wrote what I quoted above beginning with "The right arm ...".
So, let's take a step back to what you wrote:
"the string becomes taut - centrifugal force"

What does the centrifugal force act on?

You are right that you can write responses in any form you choose. I reject your claimed sovereignty over what my duties are and where any onus lies unless of course it is part of the terms and conditions of this web site.

Before this discussion deteriorates any further.

In response to my comment about centrifugal force Yoda wrote:
Unless I am very much mistaken, yoda was suggesting that centrifugal force is responsible for both the "pull" on the primary lever, and the tension in the kid's string.

As a result, I explained the forces involved in the kid and the rock example

If we can get past this point, I'd like to discuss the validity of the other part of yoda's quote from a physics point of view. The point I'd like to stress is that the centrifugal force does exist, but affects the kid (via the string) and not the stone. Does anybody need further clarification of the kid and the rock?

Change of Venue
 

To better serve the purposes of all concerned, I am moving this entire thread to The Lab. See you there! :3gears: