Right Forearm at Top for Hitting and Swinging
 

Here's a picture of Yoda at the Top of his Hitting Stroke:



Here's another:



Here's one of Yoda at the Top (the End) of his Swinging Stroke:



According to The Golfing Machine:

"For Hitting (10-19-A), the Right Forearm should be precisely in-line with – and directly opposed to – the motion of the On Plane Loading Action (7-22) of the entire Primary Lever Assembly (6-A) not just the Clubshaft, and this alignment is maintained through Impact (2-J-3, 4-D). For Swinging (10-19-C) the Right Forearm should be precisely in-line with – and directly opposed to – the motion of the On Plane Loading of the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Clubshaft) and this alignment maintained through Impact."

I can't see the difference in Right Forearm locations in these pictures.

Can you?

What is going on?

I can see your point Leo..but the right forearm is oppsed to the loading action of the pressure point...

Hitting to the Side...opposed to a pressure point that remained "Fixed" on the side during the Backstroke

Swinging it is located underneath..opposed to a pressure point that was rotated to the Top due to the wrist action,loading action, and assembly point... there for supporting the load from underneath....

Leo

For SWINGING, the Right Elbow will be pointing more towards the ground. The Right Forearm will be directly opposed to the secondary lever assembly because of the turning of the left forearm in the start up swivel.

For HITTING, the Right Elbow will be pointing more behind the player.The Right Forearm will be directly opposed to the primary lever assembly as there is no swiveling of the left forearm.

I agree with regard to the direction the right elbow will pointing. I personnally believe that this is one way to identify a golfer's intent, be it swinging or hitting, however with amateurs this can be quite misleading due to the mixing of components.

I would ask a question.

When I was with Yoda, we did a drill using paddles. The drill for swinging was at start up to rotate the right palm to the plane angle by time your club first became parallel to the ground and then continue on up. For a hitter the motion was different in that the palm didn't reach this alignment till it was at the top. Is this the swivel you are referencing?

Turn
 

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Is Swivel being used here as synonymous with TURN? There is a TURN and ROLL. Swivel is usually used as a DOWNSWING term.

Here's some pics to ponder . . .

Fat Jack . . .



Mac . . .



The K-I-N-G . . .



Buck . . .

Nice!!! Compda...Some real sexy stuff in such a small package!!!!

No...No..No.

Turn and Roll is via the Hinge Action

Turning and Rolling is via the Swiveling of the Standard Wrist Action..

Until Hinge Action and Wrist Action is completely understood rather than a "known familiarity"..Golf is an enigma!!!:confused1

Here is my opinion on this topic. I think for each golfer, there is only one "natural" elbow position that will have the Clubshaft On Plane at the top. So, if you keep everything else the same, mostly importantly the impact fix amount of right wrist bend, whilst keeping the Clubshaft On Plane (i.e. pointing at the Plane Line), you should only get one right elbow location. And to me, that's the elbow location you should have regardless of whether you're a Hitter or Swinger. The Plane is "da boss".

Hmm?

2-G. HINGE MOTION

The Physics of Hinging is, that, Hitting or Swinging, it is actually imparted by the turning torso and/or the orbiting arms, per 2-K and 2-K#4/#5, as described in 10-18.

Therefore Hinge action is via Turn and Roll.