Short pitching and chipping 10-3-C
 

If you struggle with short pitch shots and chipping, check out 10-3-C.

The technique is the road to short game improvement.

I was first introduced to this by the Marietta Golf crew, Yoda, Ted, and Steve one rainy afternoon.

Here is the short version.

Using zero pivot, keep the ball between right hand and right elbow.

Keep frozen right hand, #1, and # 3 pressure points in place.

Your elbow does not fan open like a normal shot.

Your right elbow moves immediately up the plane. and pushes down.

If contact sounds like you have hit a stone, you've got it :!:

Thank you
 

I have been looking for a post such as this for ages. Chipping and light pitching simplified. What would be your extra keys for when the small pitch became a larger one? I am figuring a bit more pivot controlled by the hands and a bit more pickup and fold of the right elbow?

Thanks
John

EC showed me this too. It's deadly! The cool thing about this method is that you get to go ahead and HIT the ball. When this was introduced to me, I couldn't believe how solid impact felt. The compression felt so good that I thought "I just blasted that one across the green." But nope! The ball just comes out spinning and soft.

I'm to the point now where I just chip and pitch mostly with Lob Wedge or SW. Reason being because you can go ahead and be aggressive, but the shots are easier to control.

Another cool thing about this is you can really learn to hit bunches shots doing this. Give 'em a little horizontal hinge and they're off and running. Angled hinge and you get mid high checkers. And the vertical hinge gives the soft dead shots.

TGM rocks on the full swing. But to me it's even better with short game shots. Plus around the green you can really drill down on your "impact hands." My office is now just up the road from the local muni. When the weather gets better . . . Lunch = ham sandwich, Cheerwine, and the chipping green.

Re: Thank you
 

John

For longer shots...longer club.

You can add a lot of thrust with a short club and the distance will not increase very much.

The action is a super yip control.

A friend recently told me that my short game went from the outhouse to the penthouse.

GSS

Thank You for adding to it.

The action is so easy that it almost hurts to think how much time that I have wasted in the past using an inferior method.

This truly is what The Golfing Machine is all about.

Simple and precise.

Doug,

No problem man! Thanks for getting this started. I feel exactly the same. The greatest thing to me about TGM is with the proper alignments you can be aggressive.

EC pointed this out to me early on. He said that with all the compensations you end up playing the game "defensively." In the long game I wouldn't hit it hard for fear of the dreaded "snipe." In the short game if I hit it hard, I had zero distance control.

If I could have learned to chip this way 5 years ago, I know I could post better numbers.

Oh and another thing . . . Yoda advised me to hit about the first 30 balls with just the Right Forearm Flying Wedge using paddle wheel motion. Not for distance, just to get the feel of the structure and control. The on-plane paddle wheel motion was huge for me because my right forearm was too high causing the low left shot. No better place to get this down than on the chipping green.

As you can tell I'm geeked on this topic. Thanks for getting it going!

R

In doing the pushing down, will the club face be delofted? and the clubface will hit the ball first downward to the grass?

I came, i saw, and i read 10-3-C
 

It seems as tho we start adress with a trail elbow position similar to the Golden Bears when putting?

Doug:

Thanks for posting this. I was goofing around the practice green while on vacation when I experimented with this. I don't know what lead me to it other than it just felt good and compact. I could not believe the results I was getting. :shock: I thought to myself, could it be this easy. :? I thought that maybe I was just in a relaxed mood or just had a good feel that day. But I moved around the green and just kept hitting the ball close to the hole. I liken it to a flying elbow going back and a piston like motion through the ball. Is this similar to what you feel?

Re: I came, i saw, and i read 10-3-C
 

JT

Right on with JN elbow position. I feel bent over more at address than usual.

Experiment with elbow pointed slightly right of target and directly at it.

O H

Yes the only movement I feel is the piston like action of the right forearm.

Keep your right shoulder still.

?
 

does the face stay square doing this? it sounds more like a putting stroke.

Yes, you guys have found the hidden treasure in TGM....developing an awesome short game....let me tell ya....I have won many a match and rounds of golf with the techniques available in TGM for the short game ....wait till Pelz discovers this stuff....

With just the hinges, the game becomes an exercise in strategy instead of just playing a game...


Cheers to the short game and TGM...

DG

Re: ?
 

You set the face at address with a frozen bent right wrist, #1 and #3 firmly in place.

Don't change the pressure during the stroke.

Piston action of right forearm and pressure points move down towards low point.

Set your right forearm on differnt angles of attack untill you find the one that works for you.

DG

You are 100% correct... :!: If you think you can get it up and down from anywhere you whole attitude about the game moves up a notch.

question
 

this seems all good for chipping pitch and runs out of a good lie, but do you use the same technique on shots over a bunker off a tight lie?

How do you take the club back far enough with the elbow going up plane?

Re: question
 

When Yoda and Luke first gave me this shot, they had me do it over a bunker with a thin tight lie.

Freeze your right wrist and put extensor action and #1 pressure point in place at address and keep it there.If you lose pressure you lose the shot.
Focus is on right forearm action.
Keep the ball between your wrist and your elbow.

This shot is also good from long grass close to the green.
Your right forearm action is up the plane going through your waist and straight down the same steep line.

Longer shots ...use longer club.

Ball Position
 

What is the recommended position of the ball when utilizing this technique? Also, is there a recommendation for the positioning of the feet? In other words, does one set up in the traditional method with the feet close together and open and the ball toward the back?

Re: Ball Position
 

The shot seems to work best with zero pivot.

You need to get your body into position so your right forearm and elbow won't run into your right side.

I stand slightly open for level shots.

Here is something to try that came from a Lee Trevino tape.
From a steep down hill lie, try a closed stance. It gives your elbow and forearm plenty of room.

You seem to have a great grasp of TGM/Yoda taught techniques in the short game Doug. Is there a preferred technique for the flop shot leaned toward in TGM? I'm thinking vertical hinging 10-10-B for starters.


John

Re: question
 

Doug,

Could you please expand on this?

Keep the ball between your wrist and your elbow.

I found this interesting. How does this work?

Thanks!

Bucket

10-3-C is my short game savior. I've been a reasonable short game player but this has given me MUCH more confidence when scrambling.

Example: I played a course yesterday called Point Roberts Golf Club, which is known for it's lightning fast and SMALL greens. Needless to say if your not striking it well, you'll be playing alot of green side chips. My new driver was been giving me fits, as it was the second round with it and I was generally just not feeling my swing. I lost 4 balls into the woods/water yesterday and still managed to shoot 83. Why? 10-3-C :)

Me and 10-3-C
 

I got a chance to get out on the course after work today. I was a single so I played a couple balls and basically made it an on-course practice session. Although I haven't had a chance to practice this on the range at all, I tried using the PUSH for some short game shots. I pulled off a few nice ones but I also bladed and chunked a few. I'm looking forward to Dayllight Savings Time and a change to actually practice again!!

BTW, this is a prcdedure begging for a video!!

The PUSH, 10-3-C
 

Someone above posted: "keep the ball between your wrist and elbow".
I do not see how this works, and neither does Bucket. 10-3-C says the Push procedure keeps the Hands always between the Elbow and the Ball.
This works like a charm. Thanks to all for this website....it is The Best. pshr

Re: Me and 10-3-C
 

That's because you lost the bend in the right wrist somewhere around impact and you lost the down cuz the clubhead starting passing your hands.

This is why when i help people i help them learn a swinging chip/pitch procedure before they learn the hit. Why? Because from the karate chop swing impact they learn the flat left wrist and don't realize at the same time they are learning the bent right.

So once the flat left wrist karate chop motion is perfected i just help them switch it around and its usually not too hard.

I think i should post my whole technique that i gave 8cork.

Technique Talk
 

Please do, Jim. I, for one, would like to see it, and I'm sure the membership would as well.

Re: Technique Talk
 

I would second that....

Re: Technique Talk
 

No problem....i'd just like to get permission from 8cork if i can post part of his PM he sent me because it will simplify some things and help demonstrate what are some of the main problems i see when people chip/pitch.

However it will be over the weekend because i'm busy at work and can't take the time i want.

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Also for those interested in more chipping stuff, go to www.brianmanzella.com and check out his "audio answers" section and there should be a post about the short game by "wanole" and brian gave a very good audio answer on how to learn a true swinging chip/pitch technique.

Re: The PUSH, 10-3-C
 

my question also.........opened my Yellow book to p. 142....and got the answer....

"from an up and out elbow position (flying w/be my descrip), which leaves the hands always between the Elbow and the ball (or plane line)"

---key point is: a line going from the ball up to elbow, the hands w/be inbetween that angled, upward line

......not between 2 horiz points, but in line between to angled upward points........pic in book shows very well.

feel free to correct me if i'm in left feild

Re: The PUSH, 10-3-C
 

You are correct. Straight up and down the plane going through the waist, like a piston.

In order to get enough travel in your piston, you need to bend at the waist more the normal.

When Push Comes To Shove
 

The key to the Push Basic Stroke is to move the Right Forearm back and through along the line it is positioned. The Right Elbow acts as a piston and only bends and straightens. It does not Fan.

If the Forearm is positioned pointing at the Plane Line, you get automatic Angled Hinging (the Clubface angles across the Line at the end of the Follow-Through).

If it is positioned parallel to the Plane Line, you get automatic Vertical Hinging (the Clubface remains Square to the Line).

Most people who attempt Push Basic really don't do it. In other words, they don't merely bend and straighten the Right Elbow while keeping the Body -- especially the Right Shoulder -- still (Putt Minor Basic Stroke per 10-3-E). Instead, they freeze their bent Arms -- Paw Minor Basic Stroke (10-3-H) -- and move the Club by rocking their Shoulders.

The real benefit of the Push Basic Stroke is that you can Stroke the Short Shots with great authority...and yet maintain absolute control of distance. The ponderous, pushing Motion simply is incapable of producing any real Clubhead velocity. That is why beginners should avoid using it until they have learned to Fan the Right Forearm. But once Fanning is mastered, heed the words of Homer Kelley:

"Get in there and work it to death. It's a beautiful procedure."

Re: When Push Comes To Shove
 

Yoda----I presume, (notice not assume), that ability to use diff. hindge action w/ 10-3-c is limited? If not please describe....thanks much

More On Push Basic And Hinging
 

Hitting or Swinging, any of the three Hinge Actions may be used with any of the three Major Basic Strokes.

By nature, the Push Basic Stroke is a Hitting procedure. Accordingly, its Right Arm Drive Out Action (of the Clubhead) tends to automatically produce Angled Hinging (of the Clubface).

However, as I stated in my prior post, automatic Vertical Hinging may be produced simply by positioning the driving Right Forearm parallel to the Plane Line.

Finally, at the player's option, Horizontal Hinging may be utilized, even though this is normally the province of the Swinger and his Centrifugal Throw-Out Action. Such a procedure requires that the player deliberately override the Hitting Stroke's natural Angled Hinging, and also, that the Stroke accomodate the difference in Rhythm between the two, i.e., Horizontal Hinging's longer Clubhead Travel and faster rate (and degree) of Clubface Closing.

Is this hitting chip shot pushing stroke good training for full stroke swings? I feel all these little nuggets of enlightenment only apply to hitters and us poor swinngers get left out.

Swingers use a pitch elbow position and an underhanded slapping motion. However, near and at impact, does the forearm make the same motion as described by Doug for the push basic stroke? Along the line that the right forearm is positioned at impact fix? If not , then how should swingers train their stroke for short shots?

Push Basic Stroke -- More Q&A
 

The lack of Power in the Push Basic Stroke restricts its application to the Short Shots, i.e., Putts, Chips and short Pitches.

Hitting or Swinging, Punch and Pitch Basic Strokes require a Fanning Motion. However, by definition, there can be no Fanning Motion in the ponderous Push Basic. The Forearm can be positioned along the same line for each of the three Major Basic Strokes, but only with Push Basic does the Forearm actually move along that line. Again, with both Punch and Pitch, the Elbow must Fan.

"When does the Elbow Fan?" I asked Homer Kelley as the rain fell outside his study in February 1982.

Said he: "Immediately."

Chipping---Aim Point
 

Is it advised to look directly at the ball on the "push" shot , chipping and pitching or does one stay with the aim point ahead of the ball with the short club..........

Aiming The Push Basic Stroke
 

The primary use of the Aiming Point concept is to control Automatic Releases, both Sweep and Snap. For the Short Shots, I personally use the alternative Impact Hand Location procedure and look at the Ball. When using the Push Basic Stroke, I am very aware of Pushing the Right Forearm through Impact directly toward the Plane Line along the line the Forearm is positioned.

Lynn - How would you classify Nicklaus of old (full swing)? It sure looks to me that he has 'nearly' a push move, or as close to one as you can get in a full swing. Can you help clarify for me when push becomes punch? Is it simply the fan motion difference? If so, doesn't a punch 'turn into' (pun intended) a push at the last moments before impact? (that magic forearm and elbow again)

10-3-c
 

......with the excellent distance control, what do you guys think about using similar aciton for putting........pro/cons?
hopefully not a dumb question.....

Re: 10-3-c
 

Not a dumb questions at all. Yoda prescribes such a stroke as his method for using a long putter (the instuctions he gave me include bending over and picking the ball out of the cup :D ). Chuck Evans demonstrates it in a video short on his site for a regular putter.