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Impact Pics
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Re: Impact Pics
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Donna Andrews looks to be in an unusual position. Her right forearm looks to be off plane. Mike Standley, I believe, also looks unusual(right forearm). Maybe this is a little after Impact. |
Couples' swing is so mint...
Ya that girl in the red looks right funny. Is Mike Standley the guy below Els? His right arm seems to have turned over too much...Either it's because this pic is AFTER impact, his stance is closed, his clubface open....or else he's just hitting a pull... |
That girl in the red is ...Donna Andrews-LPGA...
That is Mike Springer...and yes ...it is after impact...But the picture is there to demonstrate "running out" of right arm and an off-plane motion of the right forearm... Each picture is carefully selected and placed to learn different impact alignments for less than "ideal alignments" You'll notice the guy with the best alignments somehow arrived there "magically" from that "LOW HANDS CRAP"... If it is truly a machine...It should be an "Adjustable Machine"... Make a stroke with High hands ...Low hands...somewhere in between...For whatever the shot and the stroke require... Wouldn't you agree that if the ball is below the feet the hands are lower...whereas the ball above your feet might be adjusted a "little higher?" So...Is it "Imperative" where you start at address???...No...does it assist in eliminating compensating moves...for different shots....Yes... Are compensating moves practically in every swing. The ideal or goal... is the uncompensated stroke pattern...Some are "purer than others"...But perfect..No compensations... You show me someone who had perect alignments and relationships throughout their "ENTIRE" stroke...Everytime..... and I'll buy dinner!!! |
Who would you say has the best alignments now? Some guy with "that low hands crap?"
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According to The Book....My vote is the guy in the Top Row...Middle Picture...
I think he has the most "Precise" alignments.... On -Plane Right Forearm...Great Spacing of the Pivot Components.... Couples Right Forearm is close but not "perf".... Els is close...but not "perf"... Watson ....way off ...But...5 British Opens???? Donna Andrews...way off ...LPGA...Dinah Shore...is a major right? So...I guess you can be way off and win... Nicklaus won 18 Majors with Over- Acceleration and a case of "controlled" Throwaway....if there is such a thing!!! |
Watson
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Do you think the camera angle on Watson might make him appear more off than it actually is, or is he always like this? |
Annikan - do you think Freddie's choice of grip is a big part of why his impact alignments are so solid, and perhaps the core reason some of the others are 'off' the ideal?
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 Here's a nice alignment... |
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You're right ...thos are nice alignments on Ole Ben...Right elbow could have better spacing ...but still nice alignments.. Tom Watson always looks like that through impact on the long clubs Perhaps...Resulting from his very steep Plane angle and Full Sweep downstroke....It was a great pic on the range at Pinehurst so I don't believe it was a tricky camera angle!!! Ed Z great point about Couples and his Grip Type |
C'mon man...you can't go correcting Hogan's swing now...can you...?
I mean, this is one of the best ballstrikers of all time....that elbow alignment must be contributing somehow to his swing. |
birdie_man,
Even Mr. Hogan wasn't .... perf.... no one... but I'd agree ... He's one of the best.... I used to be a "Hogan" guy... then I learned a little more... Then I became a "Snead" guy.... and IF...Tiger keeps learnin and Improvin it won't be long I'll be a Tiger guy.... I love everything about Hogans swing with the exception of his lower body....Hogan never slid!...wrongo...try up to 10-12 inches ...that's why he probably preached "clearing his hips".... The only players who actually DID what they preached were ... Trevino, O'Grady, and Blake |
Yes Snead -- So where is the impact pic of ole Sammy??
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ahhh... this illustrates perfectly to me how the rear hand grip effects the ability of the right forearm to be precisely on plane. I often wondered how people could have the rear forearm in line with the shaft, without having the grip in the right palm/lifeline. At least for most of these guys, I see that the result is an "almost in line" alignment. Cool
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Eureka....
Nevermind... That's Huge... The observation of the grip type and ability to "line it up on-plane" Keep em coming!!!  |
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So it is easier to get the right forearm on plane with a strong right hand grip... like Couples and O'Grady? Both these guys use something like a 10-2-F I believe. Hogan, of course, had more of a 10-2-B, and had his forearm on plane also. How is the Impact of someone like Johnny Miller, or Pavin... who uses a weak right hand grip? |
The right hand 'cup' and the left hand thumb position with a 'gap' is the only way to really have both wedges properly 'on' plane and still use BOTH wedges to fully support impact.
Anything else and you are giving up some power and/or alignments. Moe's grip was far better than most will recognize in this regard. For a setup drill that will help you set the wedges: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1172 Right hand only chip shots will also help show you that the grip is not so much 'in the fingers' as 'at the base' - indeed a stronger right hand (and probably weaker left hand) than most are used to. |
If you look really close at the wrist alignments of the players right hand...
Each player has a different wrist alignments... Donna Andrews - Cocked and Bent Mac O'Grady - Level and Bent Tom Watson - Uncocked and Bent So Bent, Level, Vertical ...produces the right arm flying wedge alignment... Just like EdZ has previously posted.... Study the Palm and Wrist of each player |
Here is another good one of Couples
http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80514/1/2799586 |
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And how many people REALLY know what to look for and the importance of the LEVEL right wrist? Even those that claim to be well versed in the Machine. What's your analysis of the pic of Mike Springer. Looks like his right wrist is level BUT his forearm is not On-Plane? Simalac Infamil Parents Choice Brains 'n Eggs Skin Samich |
Lagster, I'd think Hogan was more like 10-2-A or 10-2-C...check it out.
... Annakin, This is just a guess, but...taking into account the rest of his swing is Hogan's right elbow position a product of his address posture (from everything I've seen from him he stands pretty upright...from what I've seen) and his hatred of hitting anything left? You have to remember that he wasn't THINKING of ideal alignments, he just didn't EVER want to hit it left. What do you think? ...and... You said you don't like Hogan's lower body movement. One question if you don't mind: -how exactly would you classify his lower body action from 10-14 to 10-16? ...And I can see why he needed to use a very forward ball position- he wanted to hit it low (well, short irons anyway) and right...but not THAT right. |
Hogan's Grip
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Birdieman, You could be right about Hogan's grip, at least as it is in his book... one of the later books with drawings. I'm not sure his grip was that weak in actuality. |
There's a great closeup of his grip in the "Coleman Palm Beach Footage" video on this site.
And have you heard of the unique reminder he had in his grips? http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/for...?TOPIC_ID=2422 |
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