#2 The Dissed Pressure Point
 

Poor ole Pressure Point #2 gets treated like number 2 as in poo. His more industrious and well liked brothers . . .

Everybody loves #3. He gets to be the lens of the flashlight tracing plane lines. And he gets to drive straight down the Line Delivery Path through Impact, Low Point and Follow-through. How exiting for him. #3 is the quarterback calling plays.

Then there is #1 . . . the violent one. Wacking Plane Lines with Karate Chops and Punches. Plus having his way with the rag doll Left Arm and even pushing #3 around in Hitting.

And how about the #4 . . . he gets the party started right? He get's your body movin' and groovin'.

BUT PRESSURE POINT #2 GETS NO RESPECT!!!!

His daddy is the #2 Accumulator the Velocity Accumulator. Cocking and Uncocking to Full Extension sustaining the Line of Compression. Pressure Point #2's daddy can get DOWN too! He's responsible for the Downward Angle of Attack.

But what about Pressure Point #2? We can feel #3. #1 gives us the feel of the Hitter's Active Drive and the structure of Extensor Action. We can feel #4 welded to our chest and then BLASTED OFF.

What should we feel with #2? CF Uncocking the Left Wrist? Are we feeling the Flat Left Wrist with #2?

Also per 6-B-2-0, "Centrifugal Force, Accumulator #1, the muscles of both forearms, any -or all- are available to actuate this Assembly." What is this? I thought there was little contribution from the Left Arm? He said "the muscles of BOTH forearms." So are we actuating #2 via the Left Forearm?

I'm just trying to stick up for #2. Let's give him a little love here? Just like fat people need love too, so does the #2 pressure point!

Sentimentally yours,

Bucket

You were the second son in the family, right? :D :p :rolleyes:

two is cool- its the pulling pp- its the other side of the flat left wrist and should put the shaft in a linear position so the "stars" 3 and 4 can bring it home.

One year playing football I was an inside defensive lineman in what was called a Penn State 4-4. My job was to prevent offensive lineman from blocking the linebackers so they can make all the tackles. Gad I felt like pp#2 that year. LOL

I think if you're a good player and really know how to "swing" you realize how important #2 really is.

There are times when i spin that gyroscope so hard that my right hand comes off like VJ but the #3 stays on the shaft and i have this HUUUUUUUUUUGE sensation in my #2pp (last 3 fingers of the left hand)

I know it's important, better players feel it (if they swing), but i think the other pp are more important for "beginners."

JMHO

PP#2 is the one I focus on.

It's the only one you need to worry about in the left hand. I like to feel like my left index finger is almost passively sitting on the grip.....seems to help with more startup swivel and keeping the club "floating" in my hands....good feelign for a Swinger.

Ya on the left hand I only focus on PP2 and the shaft loading onto my left thumb.

When I'm holding it in PP2 and the shaft is on my left thumb I know my swivel is complete, my left wrist is cocked, and I'm set to rip the ball (the only other thing I need in the backswing is Extensor Action, really).

BTW....regarding the left thumb....why did Homer not include this pressure point? This thumb is one of my favourite things to monitor.

Uncorking the #2 Genie in the Bottle
 

Good stuff Bucket. Hope you don't mind me taking off my Admin/Techie hat and "chipping in" but this has been on my mind lately and I need to hatch another egg. First a few reference points..

7-11 Fundamentally, Power must flow from its source (the Accumulators) and must be exerted against something (Pressure Points) that will directly or indirectly drive the Club through impact.

10-11-0 Again - any time Accumulators #2 and #3 (the hands) are employed, but only Pressure Points #1 and/or #4 (the arms) are used to actuate the Primary Lever Assembly, so that Centrifugal force alone actuates the Secondary Lever Assembly, this would be the classic golf "Swing" and the Clubshaft would exhibit the "Rope Handle" characteristics...

10-11-02 Pressure Point #2 acutates the Secondary Lever Assembly, normally, only as "Passive Clubhead Lag"...and is a Swingers Rope Handle application.

So in normal operation, the classic golf swing, PP #2 is passively monitoring the left wrist cock action throughout the swing. 4-B 1,2,3. (For those without the book, there are some good pictures in the above references.) Essentially a flat left wrist that is level, cocked and uncocked. Like hammering a nail, you are feeling the cocking and uncocking with the #2 pressure point. We are not feeling any pressure changes on the left thumb as it's location is not assigned to the top of the shaft (hammer handle), and it's playing a supporting role, not a lag loading role.

This is a very interesting question and one I've been pondering. What if...we want to load the secondary accumulator early or late by manual override?
What if...we want to manually override centrifugal force and throw the secondary accumulator early or late in the downswing?
The loading and unloading of these actions are monitored by PP #2. Are we contending with throwaway if we manipulate the #2 accumulator?
Are we disrupting hinge action rhythm if we manipulate the synchronized release of uncocking then rolling?

In 7-19 Homer mentions - Rolling and/or Uncocking have their assignment of doing any throwing of the clubhead.

Don't think I answered your questions directly, but I'm with ya buddy. I'm trying to let this genie out of the bottle and understand it better.
Loading, Release Types, and Triggers...oh my!

Thanks,

Bagger

Looks like nobody's willing travel down this road with us . . .

I shall study more . . .

Talk to the Hand
 

Conversations with #2 - (context - not a potty-mouth discussion):D

OK Bagger, you've reached the end of your backswing.

Wooohhh there Bagger - you just threw the clubhead too far past the end. The handle just bounced off me! Now you got some catch'in up to do Lucy!

No, No, Bagger don't squeeze me early in the downswing unless you mean it!

Nice Bagger, I'm loaded and ready for start down. Just keep me loaded and don't stop me buddy.

Talking to the hand
 

Bucket,

How about the pull of the clubshaft through impact? #2 is behind the shaft just like #3. After the uncocking of accumulator 2 and roll of accumulator 3. Is #2 helping sense not only the pull of the clubshaft through impact (swinging), but also any variations in the flat left wrist condition.
I think so, but my hands could be deceiving me. ;)

Thanks,

Bagger

I would agree on this . . . I guess you could feel the Flat Left Wrist via #2 or the Uncocking of the Left Wrist to full extension.

Thanks!

New Jedi On The Bridge
 

I am with you, Colonel, as always.

What a great post you wrote. It takes so much -- way more than most realize -- for one to write with the clarity and within the constraints of your references. Others are responding, and the thread is developing as it should.

Hats off, young Jedi! Your time has come!

PP#2 is the swinger's feel of 'dragging the lag' - the wet mop

Try float loading left hand only putts until you hear the 'click' of proper impact ;)

Bagger, I noticed that while I was practicing bunker shots, if I concentrated on PP#2, I would execute horizontal hinging better, and also finish swivel with a flat wrist. Would this be something for a swinger to translate to regular shots?

The first question that comes to mind is, how do you know you were horizontal hinging, and why were you doing it in a bunker?
It is certainly an option, I'm just curious about the evidence you were getting in the bunker.

My second reaction to the question is if you are getting better horizontal hinging and finish swivel while concentrating on pp #2, then by all means take it out of the bunker!

I'm still contemplating the role of the continued drag of pp#2 against the clubshaft through impact, into the follow through and finish. It certainly would seem to be one of the primary feedback mechanisms for keeping the hands ahead of the clubhead.

R.E.S.P.E.C.T. tell me what it means to me.
 

Well Bucket, I'm going to give this thread a run. Thanks rchang (Alex?) for thinking about the role of PP2 and getting me thinking some more.

Still discussing swinging for now. There are only two pressure points in the hands so their distinct roles have significant importance; #2 on the left and #3 on the right. There is a wealth of material on this forum regarding #3 so I won't go into it's role. The primary role of #2 is sensing the cocking and uncocking of the left wrist which provides the throwout action of the clubhead. But there has to be a secondary role for #2, that of monitoring the pull of momentum transfer through the left hand after release of the #2 accumulator.

Centrifugal Force alone can provide the uncocking motion, but as the left hand rolls into impact the feel of PP#2 should also sense the roll up into the fingers. It dawned on me that this would be very similar to the quarter turn roll feel of #3 at the end of the backswing. This isn't in the book and I've never heard it mentioned before, so I might be way off base.

I can imagine momentum transfer flowing from the #4 accumulator (the master accumulator) which is the left arm welded against the chest and the momentum of centrifigal force being transfered to #2 because it is the only other pressure point in a position to sense pull. #3 and #1 are sensing the change in inertia but are not in a position to do any direct pulling of the rope handle through impact. Only #4 and #2 are in a position to spin the flywheel and keep the primary lever ahead of the secondary lever.

I might have had too much yellow koolaid for breakfast this morning. :)

Sorry I haven't been able to lend any support on my question. My kid gave me some kind of puking flu. Zoinks!!!!

My thoughts about pp2 are that it has to monitor CLUBHEAD motion and not Clubface motion. PP2 would lead the Clubhead into the impact interval and also PP2 would monitor the uncocking velocity accumulator #2. NO?

My procedure for sand shots is to open the clubface then use a swinging procedure. Feeling the pulling of the left arm through impact. Kind of pulled that from Brian's bunker video. When I started doing some of those shots, the resistance of the sand really accentuated for me some of the impact conditions. So I started to just swing at the sand without the ball.

Roger (not Alex:) )

Thanks Roger!

You just took me back to my lesson with Ben Doyle. He loves the sand for learning proper impact conditions and if you ever go see him, be prepared to spend time in the bunker, and it's not about sand shots. We have some Ben Doyle video in the Gallery you might enjoy. There are some great drills for the sand as well. You might want to search in the drills category.

Bucket,

I'm not considering that #2 has anything directly to do with the clubface alignment. Only in sensing lag through impact and beyond. As in keeping the clubhead trailing the left hand.

I can't feel the #2 Pressure Point until my Left Hand Cocks. It occurs near the end of the Backstroke. It seems to stem from the Clubshaft moving against the #3 PP which leverages the end of the grip against the last three fingers of my left hand. So, I guess I feel pressure from the bottom of the shaft and not the Aft side of the shaft. It seems difficult (not impossible) to feel this loading during a Pitch or Punch length shot.

Do others have this same feel?

Do Hitters feel pressure from the Aft Side of the Shaft because they Load the #3 PP against the Primary Lever?

Haven't seen this thread before you wake it up, Daryl. The intro by 12 pc is pure golfing poetry.

PP#2 is the life blood in my game, from t to green. If it's not alive and kicking at impact it is throwaway city, compression leak, flipping, missed putts, duffed chips and two shots in the bunker. PP#2 is to me the chief guardian of Homer's first big discovery: The flat left wrist. Also, it is the supervising monitor of rhythm and the leverage from accumulator #4. My left wrist always know how I'm doing.

I can lose pp#1 and pp#3 lag pressure big time and get away with it for quite a few holes. But if I loose pp#2 pressure I've got no game.

Even though pp#2 is protected by a glove, that's where I get the biggest golf blisters. The two middle fingers have one each, then there are two more in the palm of the hand, following the extension of the ring finger and yet another at the extension of the long finger. If I hit hundreds of balls on the, it's the left forearm - the muscles that powers pp#2 that gets the hardest workout. And the better I strike the ball the harder workout they get.

Hi, I'm ICT, a grateful owner of a left forearm and # 2 pp!
 

Since experimenting with the Moe Norman tapes, I have become acutely aware of my left forearm and # 2 pp! When my head is stable (physically, not emotionally, though that helps, too), I count on # 2 pp to hold my flying wedges in place and make the ball go "wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" all the way to the hole!

Patrick

Yes, me too.


I'd say that when Im Drag Loading , the direction of loading is against the knuckle and the Dragging (by the left side pulls/drags the Left Hand which is turned to the inclined plane, down plane) is tugging at the #2 pp. The more loading the stronger the sense of pressure at the #3pp at the knuckle. The stronger the Dragging the more the sense of pressure at #2pp.

In regard to Hitters and the Aft.......Id say yes, assuming he is Drive Loading and not Drag then Drive Hitting.

The pressure point is said to be "rotated" for Drag Loaders but not because of anything other the direction in which the the loading occurs. You load along the Top of the shaft, the knuckle. It goes especially well with active left wrist, swinging. Shorter lengths of strokes have less loading , less inertia and less pressure at the associated pressure points but the unique direction of loading will still be there assuming a long enough stroke.................I suppose a putt would load the aft of the shaft Hitting or Swinging. Its a purely Radial stroke no Longitudinal acceleration as the left hand never turns to plane and there's no left wrist cock.

I basically feel it on the bottom of the shaft. The dynamic weight of the club. Perhaps a little aft add-on on some shots. But it's the "under" par that's vital to me.

A little cross seeding between geometry and physics indicates that a flat left wrist goes hand in hand with pp#2 pressure at the bottom of the shaft I would say. If you're "afting" your pp"3 I'd say you're challenging the flat left wrist.

Things may be different at impact though. When the club crashes into the ball, the butt end just wants to go faster. So at impact it probably pp#2 pressure on the front of the shaft. In addition to the underside. Althoug it may be difficult to feel the front part.

PP#2 is very important to me particulary for my long irons and woods when I am in the swinging mode.
In fact the party can't get started until PP1 PP2and PP4 are present at address for me.
I set(cock) my wrist early and feel the pressure at the last three fingers.
What a difference a few months make.
I used to feel more comfortable with a bit of left index finger on the shaft but I don't any more.

When I am in the hitting mode PP1 and PP2 seems to disappear and replaced with PP3. PP4, the master accumulator is always present is swinging and hitting.

To make easier I just switch from a 10-2-D (my swinger's grip) to weak double action when I'm hitting by simply putting my hands at impact fix position.