Martin Hall on TGC
 

Saw a brief few minutes of Academy Live last night and Martin Hall, Moran Pressel's teacher, was on with her. I know he is an AI and presented a lot of TGM stuff in the few minutes I saw. Don't think he actually mentioned TGM (too bad) but the teaching was pretty much out of the book---talked about swing plane,clubhead throwaway, the hands controlling the clubface,etc. I just wish that he, or Chuck Cook, or any of the other "closet AI's" would speak up about TGM on TV----just ONCE!
Dr Dave

Saw that too. He was actually talking about "the Circle lying on a Plane." Amazing!

Did you guys noticed how turned Morgan Pressel's Left Hand was. She's the poster girl for 10-2-D. He was saying how that even with "a hookers grip (no pun intended)" that she hit it straight because her hands controlled the face inspite of the grip. He said "it's only a hooker's grip if you hook it." But 10-2-D actually lends itself to cut shot procedures anyway.

I found it interesting that he was saying that she should not have her "circle pointing to the right," but it seemed that he had her off-plane when he was running her through the drills.

He even mention the position of the Right Forearm too!!!

Pressel is a player. I like Martin Hall too even though no mention to the Book.

I took my GSEB class at Martins place and he actively participated in the class. He most definitley knows the machine and has put out a good book himself as well.

I suspect he knows what he is doing by not mentioning TGM because of the "good ol' boys club" and how they would probably say bye bye Mr. Hall. As long as people like him get out there and talk the talk the word will eventually get out to the masses.

rrabick

great episode and makes me even a bigger believer in TGM because Pressel is a great ballstriker. I didn't know hall was TGM, but I knew he had to have been using it with all his examples with the lasers and such.
I liked how he talked about the shoulder to the back of the camera to help stop the flip. good visual.

I always enjoy watching Hall because he is a great communicator using visuals and aids. It was a very good episode, with clear TGM influence, although I didn't care much for the 'left 1, left 2' bit.

I did notice that when Morgan hit her 3 wood, she had a bit of throwaway, which was amusing because that was what they had just been discussing ;)

Her pattern is very solid and is one that many people would do quite well to experiment with.

She could use some Clearkeys.... it seems to me that she is the only one standing in her way at times. She can let her emotions get the best of her quickly and Clearkeys would help a ton ;)

Martin's Book
 

I picked up a copy of Martin's book for a mere $6.00, including shipping, from a reseller on Amazon.com. Best 6 bucks I have spent in awhile.

What's the name of his book? What's it all about?

It is called Martin Hall's Golf Myths Exposed.

There are two available at the moment on amazon.

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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

The book is splattered with drills and TGM in layman's terms.

Martin Hall is interviewed by Chuck Evans here

http://chuckevansgolf.com/golf_talk_radio.html

In that world The Golfing Machine® is a book publisher and an education institute and nothing else. May be interpreted such that it does not give MH either right or reason to speak for it.

JMHO

Martin is TGM and MORAD Educated
 

I sat next to Martin for 3 days at one of Mac's Symposiums in Orlando...Smart guy...Very Nice as well...That's his greatest strength...peoples skills...perhaps Mac should've "bartered" with him .....Just Kidding!!!:D

EdZ,

When they talked about flipping, It looked like he was talking about over rolling not actual throwaway. She may have had some throw in her in that 3 wood swing, I did not see that swing.

My GSEB class was also at Martins place. Very nice guy. He as a huge collection of training aids at his place.

martin talked about a good laser he had gotten to trace the baseline does anyone have a link for a good lazer im in the market for one thanks

http://www.golfjustlikethepros.com/

He sells different types of laser trainers like this one

http://www.golfjustlikethepros.com/Dual_Laser_Grip.htm

I like this one because you can use it anywhere without smashing the place up and you can also monitor the butt end of the club on the second part of the backstroke , first part of the downstroke and followthrough swivel. Like a lot of good ideas it is simple.

What or Who is Clearkeys???

Sorting Through the Circuit Player's Handbook

B-Ray

Cary Mumford? Sports Pscychologist

Laser
 

You do not need a laser.
Simply take two flashlights, butt them together using duct tape.
For very few dollars you have a perfect plane tracer.

http://www.clearkeygolf.com

Great stuff.

Over rolling (or what I would call off Rhythm/Plane rotation) is a clubFACE issue. Flipping (throwaway) is a clubHEAD issue.

I'd certainly bet Martin has quite a training aid collection, and from everything I have seen, he knows how and when to use each one.

I find flashlights put out too broad of a beam and isn't focused enough on the planeline as a laser.

Sometimes there are laser keychains on ebay. They are the same units as the GTA lasers without the shaft mount, but a key ring(chop it off). They cost a few bucks plus shipping. If you buy 5 or 6, the shipping is combined. extra batteries.

With some small pieces of duct tape and the small lasers, You can not only check the shaft.... but forearm, PP alignments... the angle of your FWs... think your head is stationary? tuck (not tape) one behind your ear .....

They are a panic to work with. :D

Charlie

I bought a laser keychain a few months ago to practice tracing the plane line. Surprisingly, this was at a Petco store.

Good post!!!!!! Hadn't thought of the duct tape idea. U-da-man! With the forearm alignment, what are you checking? that the laser taped to the forearm is on the shaft (shaft and forearm on plane-Flying Wedge) or are you tracing the plane line with the forearm?

thanks!

B

Wanole,
You can buy flashlights that have focusable beam for a little more $$.

I just had to come up with something. I'm DIYing with the generous information from you guys here and a kickstart from Yoda last spring. For me, there are "positions" during the swing, but all positions are a result of proper "alignments".

I fooled myself a few times with visual perceptions and also the two dimensional video camera. The lasers were the only thing that could give me all 3 dimensions and could track different body areas.

I know this is nuts, but I had extended negotiations with the wife, and I have a "library" of pinstripes on our screened porch that respresent everything from the Plane Base Line to where laser points should be from my right forearm and left arm if my Flying Wedges are correct at Top. They track from one specific spot on the porch with a five iron in my hands. My laboratory.

I'm sorry, I go on.... To answer your question, the basic setup is a laser taped to the shaft pointing just ahead of the sweetspot. Another on the back of the left wrist. On my right forearm I use an equivalent for the PP#1 trace with one on the thumb side of my wrist. Minimally, these tell me if the FWs get misaligned during the swing. They were very helpful when I had to reconcile the forearm trace, the RFP, and a full loading of the right elbow without fouling the FWs on the way to proper alignment at the Top.

You can also use the lasers for other body areas. Depending how you position one on your right shoulder, you can determine absolute position (I have a tendency to get out of sync between my arms/hands and upper torso) or the plane the shoulder is on.

Well, it keeps me off of the streets... :D

Charlie

Don't you love G.O.L.F.!

So far in my quest for precision golf I've sliced open our couch with an iron; dented a doorframe with driver, destroyed my lawn with a series of VJ like divot lines, smashed the lunch box of my daughter's 7-year old friend, broken my parents in law chandelier light fitting (twice!!!!!!!), caused a lady walking her dog to dive roll when I shanked a shot (she came around a corner - I'm usually very careful about these things, especially now!) and put a divot in my ceiling. I wont go into this last one, except to say that it's really good feedback that your alignments are off when you gouge a chunk out of the roof.



Probably best if we don't go into that!:o

Chris

Carey has lots of really good ideas man.

I'd definately recommend his book.

Not only was Martin on The Golf Channel, he is in the December 2005 issue of Golf Magazine, page 73. He is discussing your grip.
I also met him at The St. Augustine class. Nice fellow. Good sense of humor.

All good people credit their sources(this gives them even more credibility), but in this case Hall would never get another spot on TV if he did, maybee he can slip it in another time. The click group would feel threatened by TGM Martino, McClean, Leadbetter etc.

Chris,
You are truly a golf nut. That was one of the funniest things I've ever read. Keep tearing things up..the more you struggle, the better you'll get. I used to do the same.
4Barrels,
You are right again. The Golf Disgust crew will always be intimidated by TGM. Let's keep sneaking up on them. Then we'll storm the castle and save Golfdom from the evil trolls.

Bill : That is going to happen one day . It is a pity that the TGM organisation is not set up in an "All for one ,One for all" type of way because I feel if it was the storming would start sooner rather than later.

Drills
 

In one of his appearances, I made the connection but only after studying TGM and just happened to have his book. My copy is a Copyright 2003 PGA TOUR Partners Club from a used book store at $1.99. There is a "Garden Chat" introduction in the book where he acknowledges different instructors but nothing on TGM.

One example of "TGM in layman's terms"

Keeping the right wrist bent is associated with keeping the body engaged in the shot. With the left hand removed and the right hand just above the shaft, a small empty water bottle is placed between the grip and the wrist-forearm area to "set the correct wrist bend needed." Swings are made without crushing the bottle.

DRW

Hall's "Golf Myths Exposed" is excellent.

Deck the Hall
 

Just got in a copy of Martin Hall's "Golf Myths Exposed". I have alot of respect for Mr. Hall. As a fellow PGA member, I consider him an asset to the teaching community.

After quickly looking through the book (it has alot of good information and drills) the picture on the cover shows Hall in the number one malfunction, Steering. Granted it is a postion just after Follow Through, but it looks nothing like what he advocates in the book:( . I am surprise he would let that get on the cover.

The photo was probably taken before he worked with Yoda at TGM workshop.

My brother and his family are playing the Ibis course this weekend. Martin may give my nephew a golf lesson.....we shall see,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I have also just got a copy of Martins book, and I feel it is excellent, some really good drills, and some great teaching aids that he has made that look particularly useful. If you can try and obtain a copy, good stuff.

Martin got it from Ben Doyle the real g.f.ing machine

Why is Ben the real machine?

Great question Philly, I believe this because Ben doesnt just know the words but he know how to practically apply and teach the principles and laws. The true physics is present in all his lessons its all about cause 100% not positions and geometry although this is also important - its how the geometry is created and sustained that must be understood. He's the best and that's why Hall is so good, as a result of working with Ben.

I don't see how that makes other AI's not the Real Thing?

Geometry is not position golf. Homer said Geometry was MOTION and Physics was ACTION.

The geometry is not fixed lines but lanes of motion, never to be stopped along and the physics is the kick in the azz to ride the plane.

Ben is a fine teacher, The GodFather of TGM, but please don't think he is the first or last word in TGM instruction.