What's the difference from a straight line delivery path vs circle del
 

What is the difference in feeling from a straight line delivery path and a circle delivery path?

Does the straight line delivery path feel like a throw of your arm coming from your trailing shoulder?
And does the circle deliver path feel like your trailing arm travels "around" the shoulder?

Is this the difference?

Thanks

If you imagine the path of your hands traveling in your motion as a wheel (7-23), the 'widest possible' path of the hands would be a circle around your center of balance.

In a straight line delivery, your hands go from the 'edge of the rim' at the top, directly in a straight line INSIDE the circle towards your aiming point/both arms straight and at both arms straight they are again 'touching the wheel rim'. A 'feel' of 'narrow to wide' (top to both arms fully extended). A delayed release/max trigger delay and a more powerful (but tougher to time) motion.

In a circle delivery path, your hands effectively 'attempt' to STAY on the rim all the way 'around the circle'. A very 'wide' feel in which you release fully and smoothly from the top - very nearly throw away. A very consistent, but much less powerful motion, much simpler to judge distances.

EdZ-Would you really say that circle delivery is "much less powerful" than straight line?:question:

Thanks Edz,

Then doesn't a "straight-line" delivery path also help a person avoid hitting fat shots?

Not if you deliver it to the wrong spot.

Keeping the hands ahead of the ball through impact is generally a good way to get rid of the fat one (and the thin one).

Sorry..but if the hands are too far forward you can really chunk it and also if you're too far forward with too much #2 and #3 accumulator you can thin it as well....Study the Law of the Flail!!!

Circle delivery path is recommended when one has very minimal to no axis tilt and the swing is using independent left arm power as indicated by the flip release procedure.Those who swing their left arm independent of the Pivot need to employ a circle path delivery or else??? Over acceleration becomes the "soup de jour"....

Straight line delivery is available to both hitter or swinger..but it is the swinger whose hands arc beyond the Top of the Delivery Line that uses TopArc/Straight Line and an Arc of Approach procedure..Hitters who only go to the Top employ and Straight Line Delivery Path and is very very compatible with an Angle of Approach procedure...Study 2-J-3, 7-23,10-23


Note: A Circle Path Delivery is a continuation of this TopArc without any intention of directing/aiming the thrust in a Straight Line or an Aiming Point!!!

Thanks everybody!

I really enjoyed that last post NAT.

I'll have to digest everybody's posts here a little bit.

Recently, I have been relying on swinging with a straight-line delivery in order to hit crisp shots from tight lies. (maybe in six months I'll look back on this and realize that a straight-line delivery path had little to do with it.)

Thanks

I would say it's a viable procedure but not the best. A circle path requires much more handspeed in the downstroke because of the wide arc - which means less endless belt effect at the bottom. With a straight-line path, there is more "whip" at the bottom due to the endless belt effect.

Circle path works best with little axis tilt and more of a full sweep release. The straight line path starts from shoulder height and is more compatible with the snap release types. Like Annikan said, a real Swinger with an End backstroke position must use a Top Arc and Straight Line path because he must first return the hands to shoulder height (in an arc) before straight-lining to the ball. The Hitter, who preferably stops at the Top backstroke position, can use straight-line thrust immediately at startdown.

One must be careful here because release type and delivery path need to comply with each other. There are some bad component variations that could be executed here and one must be sure to avoid them.

Where can I read/learn about the variations?
I thought that a straight-line-delivery path would automatically mean that you'd be using a snap release, and a circle delivery path would automatically be using a sweep release. Is it a lot more of that?

Thanks,

I was wondering:
I can see how a circle delivery path would pull your body all the way past the "both arms straight" position.

However, if we are using a straight-line delivery, I can't understand what would help the arms/club/body move past the "both arms straight" position and go to the finish.

How does the concept of Straight Line Delivery Path coincide with the Radial Acceleration of the Hitter?

I think of "radial" as moving along a radius (of a circle).

If the hands move from the Top to the Aiming Point, along what radius (of what circle) do the Hands move on?

What am I missing about Radial Acceleration of the Hitter?

Radial acceleration is diverting linear force (right arm thrust for hitting)into a rotating motion of the lever assemblies.It is an axe handle procedure-you drive the lag pressure(hands)in a staight line -but your axe travels in a circular motion.Does that help?

Another image that may help - if you draw a line from the hands at the top to impact hand location (aiming point proxy) - you have basically a straight line inside a larger circle.

Now imagine that the 'entire' primary assembly (left arm and club) and the straight line they form, were to maintain a 90 degree relationship to 'that' line. This is in effect what you are doing in a hitting stroke, but the hinge at the wrist makes this hard to imagine, except perhaps in 2 dimensional drawings.

Perhaps a bit of an abstract way to look at it.

In any case, the primary difference is that you are always 'supporting' the primary lever assembly (left arm and club) from 90 degrees directly BEHIND the direction of loading/unloading when hitting.
Hard to describe in text, but hopefully this helps.

Thin/Fat
 

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Good points here, especially about FAT SHOTS. Let's discuss FAT and THIN shots. I think many people out there think that the HANDS AHEAD/FORWARD LEANING SHAFT is a sure cure for the FAT SHOT. In many cases yes, but what about the others?

Very good image. In fact, I realize that I understand the main concepts correctly. Thanks for the clarification.