10-2-B....1st,2nd,3rd editions....4th?%th? 6th?
 

I find it interesting that after the 3rd edition the explanation of the 10-2-B grip type changed considerably...

1st edition
10-2-B V/V/A Pull the Right Hand back from the top pressure point position of Grip A in order to conform to a lowered left thumb position. This allows the Pressure Point to drop to an Aft position. Do not ROTATE the right hand to achieve this change. The pressure point is no longer on the plane of the wrist cock. The pressure point will be on the line of the Inclined Plane during Impact. The use of this Grip Type should be discouraged until Grip Type A has been mastered.


Wow!!!....I wonder if this was prior to the "Flying Wedge Concept" or did it give birth to it?

Pull the right hand back?...from the base of the left thumb?

Lowered Left thumb position...to the aft side now in the same line as pressure points #2 & #3?

Dropped to an Aft position?...To where the Plane of the Sweetpot and the Clubshaft meet?

Discouraged?:naughty: ...

Why I wonder?????????????????

:study:

Annikan

If you 're interested in having great structure of the flying wedges...you might want to consider reading this post....Hint ...Hint....Hint......


Homer is telling you how to get Pressure point #3,#2, and #1 on the same line...The line of the Sweetspot Plane!!!!!

:study:

Pressure point drops...

Not Rotated ...

Lowered thumb...

Aft side....

Now on the inclined Plane for Impact.....

Ahhhh?

There's some meat there....

Annikan,

Since early editions can be difficult to get ahold of do you think you could take a picture comparing the two different 10-2-B grips?

Thanks,

Matt

Pictures haven't changed ...compare 10-2-A to 10-2-B...and you see exactly what he wrote in the early editions..I just can't believe we don't have more "nibbles or bites on this lure"...For cryin out loud...Tons of people want to know how to get 10-2-B...I type out exactly what Homer wrote... and it still goes over their head....Maybe I should've posted as Homer..then they would listen.....but I'm Annikan NOT Homer...or Yoda...So Yoda...please take it from here!!!:BangHead:

It's confusing. Pull back, drop, don't rotate? Cryptic. :think:

I think that I have a great Strong Single Action Grip. Finally. The #3 pressure point returns to the aft side of the shaft before impact, and the Flying Wedges are intact throughout. Finger tips of the two middle fingers of the right hand lie on the forward side of the shaft. Right wrist vertical.

Am I still missing something? Yes, the pressure points are on the sweetspot plane.

by 'rotate' I assume he meant 'turn'? Looks 'turned' to me, but perhaps that is due to the palm vs finger difference.

Interesting he would suggest mastery of A first - a much more difficult grip to start with IMO, but then it does force you to learn to 'roll'. I would have thought he would begin with 10-2-D and move back toward B, then A (assuming he thought A was better at the time).

And I should add, that the right hand is low on the shaft compared to its higher previous position. It's more across from the left hand.

IF you put your hands on the club as in 10-2-A and simply pull your right forearm back along the same line as it is at address (toward your right shoulder) the right hands drops perfectly into place as in 10-2-B. Right hand is not longer on the same plane as the wristcock but rather the impact forearm plane.

Seems simple enough am I missing something?

BTW The left hand "V" is not pointing at the right shoulder as in conventional strong grips. 10-2-b is the best way to enable the left hand club shaft to achieve/maintain the flat left wrist/flail. Read the basic motion curriculum paragraph 7.

Pull the heel of the right hand palm off the left thumb ..then lower the the left thumb..this drops #3 pressure point, then proceed to align #2 with it and by lowering the left thumb this aligns #1 with other 3 PP's ...not difficult...just follow Homer's Procedure....It's NOT Annikan's Procedure...Homer's remember....


He said NOT to ROTATE ...because the Right Wrist may move toward an Arched condition..which destroys the alignment of the RFFW....DO Not Rotate..also means the Left Wrist..So many who do not know try to rotate the left thumb to the Aft location rather than "abducting it from the forefinger to lower it by itself to the aft alignment...YOU see those cats and dogs who try to keep a coin between the left thumb and left forefinger can keep the coin in when executed per Homer's procedure...those who can keep the coin in are probably rotating it!:BangHead:

It's a precise alignment.

Do you think a larger grip size is beneficial for getting this aft thumb position properly?

For example, if I use PING's grip size recommendation for my hand, they suggest the standard size, however I actually think the midsize + a wrap, or their oversize fits my hands better when using a 10-2-B grip. I should note that even by the 'conventional' standard, (tips of left hand fingers just touching the thumb pad), their standard size is too small for my hands as far as I see it.

That said, I think a thinner grip is useful if using 10-2-A/double wrist cock, per Hogan.

EdZ ...great point....great question on grip size????????

:salut: Great Post and thank you. My right thumb was a tad high...it was aft but not in line with 3 and 2. This has made a difference in feeling the wedges and also feeling #3... This is one of those subtle things that I can think I'm doing correctly and I'm not... and it DOES make a difference. Thanks, for this and all your contributions.

Gracious....But Homer has a lotta of hidden gems that were in the early editions..that didn't make the cut in the latter editions....

Nugget....
This grip type allows the #3 PP, #1PP, Left Thumb, #2 Pressure point on the same line.....on the aft side which is on the line of the sweetspot plane...thus when used with 10-18-A...the Turning Left hand during the start up swivel..this places the line of the pressure points and the right forearm at 90 degrees to each other...thus the right forearm is directly opposed to the on plane loading action of the secondary lever assembly...Ideally rotated and set up for longitudinal accleration....


10-18-C the Turned Left hand via a Hinge Action in the Backstroke keeps the right forearm directly opposed to this line of pressure points and left thmb that remains in full length in line with the left arm and clubshaft...directly opposed to the onplane loading action of the primary lever assembly....Ideally fixed to be carried for radial acceleration...

Annikan

PS...
Huge difference between Turning and Turned....Left Wrist

Annikan,

Regarding the Left Wrist, isn't 10-18-A supposed to be Turned, and 10-18-C is Turning?

Annikan,

On a square 5/8" dowel rod, like the one's we've used to train my flying wedges. How would the left thumb appear for 10-2-A and 10-2-B?

I believe 10-2-A would be more on top of this square rod. To get to 10-2-B from there I just ""abduct (my thumb) from the forefinger to lower it by itself to the aft alignment."

How would this appear on a square dowel rod, would just half of my thumb be touching the top, so that half is hanging off the aft side of the rod???

Annikan thanks for starting this thread I'm learning a lot from it.

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

The Truth is in the picture's, isn't that what you taught me Annikan???

Here's what I see in 10-2-A and 10-2-B pics:

10-2-A-Because the thumb is on top of the shaft the #1 Pressure Point is placed over top of it to cover it. This pressure point on top put's the hands in a weak position or "off plane".

10-2-B-You can actually see the left thumb seperated or abducted from the forefinger a little. As a result this moves the #1 Pressure Point to the side or aft part of the club. This put's the hands in a stronger position or "on plane" with the sweet spot.

Am I seeing correctly Annikan. The more I know and can describe the better my eyes will become. You told me that too.

Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

Yup!!!

I see said the blind man!!!

:eyes:


If you don't have a concept of the Line of the Left Wrist cock...The very basic left arm flying wedge

or...the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend..the concept of the right forearm flying wedge...

or the line of the sweetspot plane...

then I could see how this thread is confusing to some...but once these basics are understood ..what I am describing is very obvious indeed!

Not much interest in this thread:naughty: ...perhaps the 1st 3 editions were wrong about this procedure?...Homer is basically giving us the "how to" in regards to finding the 10-2-B grip which is superior to all others in regards to the flying wedge alignments...:sleepy: that is the alignment of the pressure points and the flying wedge structure...

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What grip do you think most of the tour players use... a version of the 10-2-B, or something different?

I noticed in a picture of Mr. Phil Mickelson the other day...that he appears to rotate his left hand(he is of course left handed) to what looks like a 10-2-C position at impact.

What do you think is going on with his grip? The Swingers #3 Pressure Point rotation at the Top, that stays there?

Given the amount of overswing he has on a full swing, I'd guess his lead hand grip isn't under the heel pad properly.

I haven't participated in this thread yet but I have looked at it with interest ....

Mathew...I appreciate your interest and participation...have you read the procedure suggested by Homer in the 1st edition on 10-2-B...does it make any sense?