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12 piece bucket 02-06-2005 12:55 AM

POWER ACCUMULATOR #1 AND HITTING
 
6-B-1-0 THE FIRST POWER ACCUMULATOR is the Bent Right Arm - the Hitter's (7-19) Muscle Power Accumulator.

According to 6-B-1-C Maximum Trigger Delay is gained by causing the Right Elbow to "Pass the Ball" - which is the Line-of-Sight-to-the-Ball - before Release.

So this is of extreme importance to the Hitter. BUT does the Hitter ever employ MAX TRIGGER DELAY of this accumulator?

Loren 12-31-2007 01:35 AM

Purportedly, Lee Trevino did.

brownman 12-31-2007 03:59 AM

trevino
 
Loren,as a matter of interest ,did Lee slice,the only way I can do that is float load and it just doesnt feel right

Loren 01-02-2008 12:29 AM

Dunno. There are extensive discussions here on Trevino. Can learn a lot. Also search on "Lee Buck".

phillygolf 01-04-2008 05:23 AM

I would think Lynn could add a ton to this, considering (from memory) I believe he followed Trevino at the Masters (not to mention being an historian) - and, I am sure, studied his swing...

Lynn?

Yoda?

Hello?

YodasLuke 01-04-2008 08:43 AM

my thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phillygolf (Post 47533)
I would think Lynn could add a ton to this, considering (from memory) I believe he followed Trevino at the Masters (not to mention being an historian) - and, I am sure, studied his swing...

Lynn?

Yoda?

Hello?

I'm not the omnipotent and omniscient green guy, but I'll give you my 2 cents.

I use all 4 barrels for max power. I use the Swinger's Start Down but Load the Right Elbow in preparation for Drive Loading. As I Load the Right Elbow so late, it certainly looks to be a Float. It's important to Delay the Trigger as long as possible, but it becomes more difficult to control the Clubface as you approach Pitch Elbow/Snap Release. Release too soon, and you'll find those 300 yard drives few and far between. :)

phillygolf 01-22-2008 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 1670)
6-B-1-0 THE FIRST POWER ACCUMULATOR is the Bent Right Arm - the Hitter's (7-19) Muscle Power Accumulator.

According to 6-B-1-C Maximum Trigger Delay is gained by causing the Right Elbow to "Pass the Ball" - which is the Line-of-Sight-to-the-Ball - before Release.

So this is of extreme importance to the Hitter. BUT does the Hitter ever employ MAX TRIGGER DELAY of this accumulator?

My take...

Usually, Hitters wouldnt employ max trigger delay - why? -cause they are using right arm thrust from end point - meaning - their release is a result of thrust and, again my opinion, wouldnt be concerned with, nor attempt to max trigger delay - - - -hopefully, their concern are alignments.

So..from end, they employ right arm thrust, which in turn, begins the release sequence - GENERALLY.

Not saying they cant, they can, just doesnt make sense.

Patrick

Daryl 01-22-2008 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillygolf (Post 47984)
My take...

Usually, Hitters wouldnt employ max trigger delay - why? -cause they are using right arm thrust from end point - meaning - their release is a result of thrust and, again my opinion, wouldnt be concerned with, nor attempt to max trigger delay - - - -hopefully, their concern are alignments.

So..from end, they employ right arm thrust, which in turn, begins the release sequence - GENERALLY.

Not saying they cant, they can, just doesnt make sense.

Patrick

Philly, I couldn't agree with you more! Which means that something may be wrong with your thinking.

If I may add, here-in lies the inherent problem with Hitting Procedure. The amount of Right Arm Thrust can present a Timing issue even if done correctly:) .

If all of you will come over to the Swingers Procedure, timing won't be such an issue and we'll reduce hernia operations by 50%. Think what that may do to Health Insurance Costs. :eyes:

Daryl 01-24-2008 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 47537)
I'm not the omnipotent and omniscient green guy, but I'll give you my 2 cents.

I use all 4 barrels for max power. I use the Swinger's Start Down but Load the Right Elbow in preparation for Drive Loading. As I Load the Right Elbow so late, it certainly looks to be a Float. It's important to Delay the Trigger as long as possible, but it becomes more difficult to control the Clubface as you approach Pitch Elbow/Snap Release. Release too soon, and you'll find those 300 yard drives few and far between. :)


Dear Yodasluke,

You are almost Omnipotent and Omniscient.

We all use the same Startdown. I like to call it simply "Startdown".
One doesn't actually Load the right elbow. If you try, you'll get a hernia.
You do not try to control the clubface, Alignments are established at Impact Fix.
Hitters should use 10-18-C so their Elbow isn't carried or driven into a Pitch position.
The 300 yard drive is not so much a problem with Release Point as it is the Direction of Thrust.

I rewrote your reply:

I align my machine Components at Impact Fix. I employ 4 barrels to achieve greatest Clubhead Velocity and Mass. I Startdown normally and use 10-18-C to control my Right Elbow Location. I Delay Triggering Release until my Right elbow is positioned to Thrust and Sustain the Line of Compression through the Ball. I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. :)

Daryl 01-24-2008 06:53 PM

Act of Contrition
 
Yodasluke.

I must apologize to you for my comments in the previous post. You know that I think of you with respect, reverence and competence and anyone taught by you is fortunate. Furthermore, in light of your recent surgery and recovery process I took unfortunate advantage by those comments.

I sincerely regret my remarks and hope you understand that I was beside myself and give me the benefit of doubt that I will not succumb to injurious rhetoric again.

It’s Buckets fault that I said those things. :eyes: He has me completely out of character. He’s a bad influence on the good people of this forum and reflects the Dark Side. He starts trouble. He is a trouble maker. He deliberately and consciously picks fights with everyone and is the cause of most of the conflict on this website. He should be banished. I know that if he wasn't related to you, you would delete every one of his comments. :)

PS. You know that I consider Hitting a Superior-Pattern to Swinging.

neil 01-24-2008 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 48160)
Yodasluke.

I must apologize to you for my comments in the previous post. You know that I think of you with respect, reverence and competence and anyone taught by you is fortunate. Furthermore, in light of your recent surgery and recovery process I took unfortunate advantage by those comments.

I sincerely regret my remarks and hope you understand that I was beside myself and give me the benefit of doubt that I will not succumb to injurious rhetoric again.

It’s Buckets fault that I said those things. He has me completely out of character. He’s a bad influence on the good people of this forum and reflects the Dark Side. He starts trouble. He is a trouble maker. He deliberately and consciously picks fights with everyone and is the cause of most of the conflict on this website. He should be banished. I know that if he wasn't related to you, you would delete every one of his comments. :)

PS. You know that I consider Hitting a Superior-Pattern to Swinging.

WHAT!!! H@#**^G- Superior? more like POSTERIOR!
Daryl ,you need a reunion!:laughing1

Yoda 01-24-2008 09:52 PM

A Gathering of Friends . . . and Friends to Be
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neil (Post 48165)

Daryl ,you need a reunion!:laughing1

It will happen!

:salut:

Daryl 01-24-2008 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 48167)
It will happen!

:salut:


Yoda, I'm so sorry I said that to Ted. But, listening to Bucket for a couple of days will do that to ya.

slicer mcgolf 02-16-2009 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 48003)
Philly, I couldn't agree with you more! Which means that something may be wrong with your thinking.

If I may add, here-in lies the inherent problem with Hitting Procedure. The amount of Right Arm Thrust can present a Timing issue even if done correctly:) .

If all of you will come over to the Swingers Procedure, timing won't be such an issue and we'll reduce hernia operations by 50%. Think what that may do to Health Insurance Costs. :eyes:

Coming from a swinging procedure for 10 years, and won a few college tourneys with it, I am all over the change to the hitting methods. I love the feeling of driving the bent right and through impact which helps me drive my bent right wrist through the ball. When I played my best, I noticed that it always came after some significant stretching and yoga. If I sat on the range... aka my office... for a week and then jumped onto the golf course, the long clubs just didn't have that smooth pull and dump into the ball. I would sometimes notice my pivot slowed soon after impact.

With working on more right arm extension and a delayed intended hip movement from the top, I'm finding it easier to get through the ball and finish my move.

The down the line video shots are looking much better too. My hands are lower at impact and my hips are turned more towards the target. 2 things I had trouble with with the swinging methods.

**my first post. Great site guys. thanks to all who contribute**

Yoda 02-16-2009 11:23 PM

Neighbor Nick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slicer mcgolf (Post 61343)

Coming from a swinging procedure for 10 years, and won a few college tourneys with it, I am all over the change to the hitting methods. I love the feeling of driving the bent right and through impact which helps me drive my bent right wrist through the ball. When I played my best, I noticed that it always came after some significant stretching and yoga. If I sat on the range... aka my office... for a week and then jumped onto the golf course, the long clubs just didn't have that smooth pull and dump into the ball. I would sometimes notice my pivot slowed soon after impact.

With working on more right arm extension and a delayed intended hip movement from the top, I'm finding it easier to get through the ball and finish my move.

The down the line video shots are looking much better too. My hands are lower at impact and my hips are turned more towards the target. 2 things I had trouble with with the swinging methods.

**my first post. Great site guys. thanks to all who contribute**

Slicer mcgolf is a Toronto teaching professional and a long-time TGMer. He trained with Mark Evershed and daily spreads the word among those who seek his guidance. Welcome aboard, Nick!

slicer mcgolf 02-17-2009 01:21 PM

Thanks Yoda,

I think its great to be able have a place to share ideas and opinions and have other like minded people tell you what they think. If the discussions are all about the right info, how can we really go wrong. some may interpret it differently but through positive discussion, maybe both people change (improve) their ideas and its a win-win.

Its a totally different story to take these conversations into a lesson with a player. I love tgm for all its worth and the true teaching key is to analyze the swing with these tgm 'thoughts' and educate the golfer in front of you with lingo and moves that they can understand and learn from.

With tgm, I'm the student.

Loren 08-28-2009 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 1670)
6-B-1-0 THE FIRST POWER ACCUMULATOR is the Bent Right Arm - the Hitter's (7-19) Muscle Power Accumulator.

According to 6-B-1-C Maximum Trigger Delay is gained by causing the Right Elbow to "Pass the Ball" - which is the Line-of-Sight-to-the-Ball - before Release.

So this is of extreme importance to the Hitter. BUT does the Hitter ever employ MAX TRIGGER DELAY of this accumulator?

It would seem to me that a hitter would opt for Maximum Power (6-B-1-A) "...adjusting hand speed to permit maximum thrust through impact before maximum extension is reached."

Easier said than done, eh?
Over-acceleration is a killer.


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