A Different Thought
 

Lag pressure.....is described as the same feeling as dragging a heavy wet mop(which i agree with btw).

Might i be allowed to perhaps, add an alternative analogy?(for people who cant grasp the mop concept)

put simply..."swing the whole shaft, not just the club-head".

swing every part of the shaft, at the same speed, from grip to club head....the whoooooooooooole shaft, down and along the plane.

Thoughts?

a lil addition
 

of course, as you are "swing the whoooole" shaft, that right fore-arm is bang in line and swinging with it, the whole job swung down and along the plane.

That particular thought always encouraged throw away IMO

another addition
 

When i do this, swinging the WHOLE SHAFT........ i get a great sense of the plane....i can "FEEL" it....burning through the air.

The whole club feels heavy, like im swinging a Momentus, if i for one instant think or "do" swing the club-head(flip, throw, flick).......that feeling of the shaft is lost.....all i can feel is my hands and the club head.....the part in between (the Shaft & the plane of it ) is lost.

throw away
 

GLcoach.

i agree..... allow me to explain further,

the WHOLE shaft....NOT the head

a feeling of the hands (top of the shaft) moving as fast as a part of the shaft that is say.... 4 inches down from the hands.......that is moving as fast as a part of the shaft 12 inches down from the hands.....that is also moving as fast as a part of the shaft that is.... say..... 25 inches away from the hands........get my drift?

throw away = what?........head moving faster than any-other part of the shaft? agreed?.......thats Not what im prescribing here.

nor am i prescribing.....hands(and that part of the shaft that the hands are ON) moving faster thatn the club head.......my feeling is of somewhere "in-between" those two.......ie.....the WHOLE shaft...moving at speed.

hope this comes across better.

I see what you are saying now...good explanation

Miller
 

I heard Johnny Miller say that he thinks of swinging the whole shaft, not just the clubhead... something similar to that.

More Than Just the Clubshaft
 

Not just the Clubshaft, rave154, but that's a nice start!

Actually, the idea is to deliver the ENTIRE Right Forearm Flying Wedge Down Plane into Impact. That would be the:

1. Clubhead;

2. Clubshaft;

3. Right Hand with its Bent Right Wrist; and

4. Right Forearm.

From the Top, think of the Clubshaft as the angled extension of the Right Forearm, add Lag Pressure at the #3 Pressure Point (meaty part of the Right Hand Index Finger), and...

Let'er rip!

I agree again
 

Yoda,

I agree again, the whole package as explained by yourself.

The only reason i keyed on "shaft" part was to try and get away from the common pop-instruction advice of "swingggg the cludhead".......or....."feeeeeel the clubhead"...etc etc....which in my opinion is only going to have one outcome...casting, throwing etc.

If you try and swing the whole shaft (including of course the clubhead...and the forearm as stated by yourself )....then casting, throwing is illiminated.

So, my original question Yoda
 

Yoda (and others),

As i said...when i myself "swing the whole shaft(and the fore-arm & wrist)"....i get a Very distinct sense of heavyness in the club, is this the elusive feeling of "dragging the wet mop" that i am experiencing here?

If i try and "swing the shaft" a little too quickly and mess it up, that feeling of heavyness is lost (and the shot is a mess, not to mention the swing when played back on video). You would call this perhaps........over-acceleration? Biting off more than i could chew?

I guess, different people will 'feel' the same correct movement/mechanics differently because in my own personal view a persons 'feeling' is based on the mechanical DIFFERENCE between what they were doing before and what they are doing now, not JUST on what they are doing now. Since almost everyone is coming from a different place, even if they all perform EXACTLY the same mechanical move now...they will all describe the feel slightly differently, though those 'feels' will perhaps have similarities.

Hopefully my descriptions and analogies come across ok :-)

Thanks for the replys so far fella's

Swing the Clubhead -- Not!!
 

I knew that was where you were coming from, rave154, I just wanted to lay it all out there. And I agree completely with your position that those who focus on the Clubhead -- unless it is done in exactly the right way -- have much to lose and little to gain.

I am particularly concerned when I hear and read one very famous 'top five' instructor recommending that you focus on hitting the Ball with "the head of your instrument."

:shock:

Bucket...do not go there! :naughty:

Suffice it to say that this is exactly opposite of what is taught in The Golfing Machine. The good player hits the Ball with the Pressure Points in his Hands, not with the Clubhead. He drives his Hands toward the Ball, and the Club reacts as it must.

The poor player already attempts to hit the Ball with the Clubhead. That's why he's a poor player! In his futile attempt to "hit the ball with the head of his instrument," he invariably attempts to Steer the Clubhead towards the Target (instead of driving his Lag Pressure-Loaded Hands toward the Plane Line). And he does this by Throwing the Clubhead past his Bending Left Wrist and Quitting Hands.

Unbridled disaster.

for Glcoach (and others)
 

Hi again,

heres a better (hopefully) explanation of my "Swing the whole shaft" description.

first..take a look at this..

http://www.image-upload.net/files/4533/swingpaths2.jpg

in the top portion of the diagram, which represents the motion in a Linear fashion, picture the two green lines as steel trailway tracks. the yellow lines represent the clubshaft per my "swing the whole shaft" aka... no part of the shaft moving faster than any other part of the shaft = all parts moving at the same speed aka = no clubhead throw-away.

Notice that in all the yellow shafts, the nice forward-lean that we want at impact and the angles of all shafts stays the same.

The thin red lines close to the yellow shafts, represents what you would see if you "Swung the clubhead" as were so often told to do, as you can see, the clubhead quickly passes leading to a 'shaft' that is leaning BACK immediately after impact.

Now, imagine.. that i could weld the tops of the grips of all those clubs to the upper railway track..and also weld the clubheads of all those shafts to the lower rail way track.

Now... if i picked up that whole assembly...and bent it into a curve....you would get what you can see in the lower part of the diagram.

In order to actually construct this circular diagram you will notice that the yellow lines are always leaning the same amount of angle away from a line drawn from the centre of the circle. (blue line). In exactly the same way in the upper part of the diagram, the yellow lines were always leaning the same amount away from being vertical. the only difference in the lower part...is that the whole thing is now in a curved fashion.

Notice that in the case of the red shafts ("swiiiiing the clubhead") that the shaft (and clubhead!!) quickly passes in frint of the blue line = THROWAWAY !!....where-as the yellow line DOES NOT ! in fact the yellow line/shaft remains in a constant relationship to the blue line = NO THROW-AWAY !! .....why??????? because the whole shaft has been swung through ....NOT JUST THE CLUBHEAD.

Hope this helps