2-P Wrist Cock
 

What is the Wrist Cock PERPENDICULAR to? The left arm?

why
 

why do u cock your wrists?

The forearm.

Its perpendicular, or at right angles, to whichever inclined plane your left arm is laying on.

By that I mean that if you hold your left arm, cocked wrist and all, out in front of you and horizontal to the ground with a club in your hand, the shaft of the club will be perpendicular, or at right angles, to the horizontal plane which your arm rests on.

Elevate your arm to full stretch above your head and the clubshaft will be perpendicular, or at right angles, to the vertical plane that your arm then rests on........and so on and so forth according to the orientation of your arm.

Good Drill
 

Again Good Drill

Dana Dahlquist

The left wristcock motion works in a very particular plane, working in conjuction to accumulator 3.

At impact fix you set the no.3 accumulator via the hinge action plane relative the clubface position required. The no.2 accumulator should move the longitudinal center of gravity up and down the hinge action plane regardless of what happens with the no.3 accumulator or the shoulder motions affect on acc no.3....

No.2 acc is thought of as a clubhead motion that keeps the clubface undisturbed relative to the hinge action plane you set via fix.

Are you sure about that that is what it is perpendicular to? I think RWH has it.

6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter 8 ) the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).

You cock your left wrist....that is...if you comply with "The Magic Of The Right Forearm." (can't remember what section)

....you do it to load another Power Accumulator.....for POWER.

I think so too . . . or the entire left arm. So the wrist cocking and uncocking is in line with the arm regardless of turn or roll. I think it has to be the left arm/forearm due to the Law of the Flail.

Goose And Gander
 

In whatever Plane does lie the Left Arm Flying Wedge, so too does lie the perpendicular Plane of the Left Wrist Cock. And vice versa. :)

Cha . . . Ching. Boss is the wrist cock also a VERTICAL motion or just perpendicular? Or have I got my terms all mixed up?

Mutual Aid Society
 

The Wristcock is a Vertical motion, the same you would use in hammering a nail. That motion -- however aligned, i.e., hammering a nail into a foor, a wall or a pitched roof -- defines the Plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge.

By definition.

ICE CREAM HEADACHE!!!!!!

Preachaman . . . So the motion is always PERPENDICULAR (Geometry. meeting a given line or surface at right angles) the Left Arm but Vertical to the selected Basic Plane of Motion?

I'll be over in the corner rocking if you need me.

Something perpendicular must be at a precise right angle to another line or plane but need not necessarily itself be vertical; something vertical is always at least roughly at right angles to the ground, the floor, or the horizon.

Ok Ok . . . So the motion is Vertical Hammering. But that motion must be made Perpendicular to the Left Arm to satisfy the Left Arm Flying Wedge and maintain the Law of the Flail.

For those about to ROCK . . . .

The Plane Truth About Wristcock
 

How about this, Bucket:

The Left Wristcock Motion (the Plane of Motion of the Clubhead) is Vertical (or perpendicular) to its directly opposing Plane. Again, this is the same motion used when hammering a nail into a floor (horizontal plane), a wall (vertical plane) or a pitched roof (angled plane).

This Motion is sometimes Vertical to the Plane of Motion of the Clubshaft (Angled). It is always Vertical to the Plane of Motion of the Clubface (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical).

:)

very good post yoda once i learned from your post about the hammering and mantaining the left arm flying wedge it made all the different grip types make sense.

Yep yep! I would agree that post is a top 5 all time Fogbuster.

Are you a Turned Grip Guy?

funny about this post
 

I bought a tire for my students about a month ago.
thx Yoda

'Ah Ha' Moments
 

Thanks, Bantamben, Bucket and CP...

Your "Ah ha's" -- and my own! -- make it all worthwhile.

First Steps Toward Understanding MORAD
 

Ben,

As an introduction, know that I am totally ignorant in the MORAD System except that I know there are ten 'positions' of the Golf Stroke. Also, certain angles are measured in degrees (as opposed to TGM's absolutes, e.g., Flat, Vertical, Horizontal, Straight, Parallel, Centered and On Plane). I truly want to learn more, and we may well need a new Thread (or even a new Forum) to do the ideas justice.

But for now, my first questions:

Are you referring to degrees of Wristcock? If so, from what alignment? If possible, please reference TGM's Level, Cocked and Uncocked Wrist Conditions. Thanks!

As for me
 

Yoda,
I am only answering #2 on a CP model (hitting) Fade.

45DEG LEFT HAND AND 20DEG RIGHT.
angles change if the hands raise through impact.
WHICH WILL CHANGE THE ASPECT OF THE GRIP. But not loss of Prpoints. However baseline changes will promate this movement.
I am a hitter however most of the time.
Well its late and thanks for all the good reading guys. You all are holding the golf world on your shoulder keep it up

just noticed the question change a little. ill get to it later thanks guys

Boss . . . This here's what limited knowledge I got about this . . . but I can speak our LANGUAGE. . . .the 45 degrees is the amount of TURN in the left hand. I understand that this "leaning towards" 10-2-D is to eliminate the varaibles of the Swivels that are associated with Swinging and Standard Wrist Action. I think the thought is that since the left palm is ALREADY Turned to the Plane then the Wrist can just Uncock throwing the ClubFace at the Ball. Ala Lee Buck who I believe would be one of the "models" or whatever it is called.

I think that the 45 degree grip is an animal that lives in the space between the B-Grip and the D-Grip.

Exactly ;)

Are you saying that if the forearm and the rest of that appendage, when laying on the same plane, only the forearm can meet the perpendicular criteria?

Curious, very curious and probably sufficient cause for me to holler out for Mike O's assistance!:pale:

Well . . . it is the Left ARM Flying Wedge but it is the Hand Motion (turn roll swivel) that is accomplished by the bones in the forearm . . . so I ain't sure . . . Don't call Mike O . . . his two cans and a string won't reach across the pond.

Hi,
I just want to confirm...if the left is 45 and the right is 20, then in this grip the palms are not parallel to each other?

sorry if this is a dumb question. It's just that I hear from so many people that they "should" be parallel to each other.

thanks

The grip
 

Check the pres.point to the left thumb. And how it is going to work with the (trigger finger-simple terms) to the hitting model. It helps to keep it intact passing the through the ball.
That is what makes a good ball strikers.
hope that was as easy as I can put it.

As far as I'm concerned, the Plane of the Left Wristcock (or Left Arm Flying Wedge) is always perpendicular to the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend (or the Right Forearm Flying Wedge).

Yep Yep.My right arm would be closed 12degrees at set up for this, thanks Tongzilla

You can see a Right Angle (90 degrees or perpendicular) from a Tee-Box away.

This is the precision alignment -- Left Arm to Right -- of the Flying Wedges.

CP, to what plane is your right arm "closed 12 degrees?"

And, can you tell 12 degrees from, say, 11 or 13 degrees?

Especially...

Under the gun?

At set up my right arm would be bent. 12deg in from the forearm. So yes the left would be perpendicular to the right right wedge as it relates to the pin of the right.
How many hitters set up with the shoulders left of target baseline? Yoda I think we are saying the same thing, I hope I am?

Supporting Cast
 

The Level Left Wrist -- and the Clubshaft as Gripped -- establishes the Plane of the Clubshaft. This is the Left Arm Flying Wedge.

The Right Forearm supports that Plane.

However many degrees the Right Elbow must bend to enable that alignment is correct.

Yoda,
how many guys have certain shoulder aligments fro the left flying wedge at setup? Mine is parr-left.I like a fade however,just want to see.
May the course be with you,
Dana

Remains Of the Day
 

Homer Kelley told me:

"You can 'clown' the Backstroke," i.e., take it back however you want (and from whatever position you want), but at the end of the day, per 1-L #20:

"For any given Line of Compression, every Machine must produce identical Impact Alignments."