Reasons for over acceleration
 

I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?

Great Question . . . Hope some HEAVIES way in on this here.

If the start down is by left hip/leg plus right shoulder down without any efforts by arms, will that help not over acceleration?

I would agree that any attempt to 'add' with the left or right arms are contributors. But I also think a key contributor is simply not understanding and experiencing the endless belt concept.

Since gaining an understanding of the endless belt effect my tendency to over-accelerate is greatly reduced. I think over-acceleration stems from a belief that it will allow you to hit it farther. And if you think that then you'll find a way to do try and do it... be it with arm action or pivot action. Once you experience how accelerating your hands simply to set up the proper rhythm allows the endless belt effect to "do it's thing" you start to trust just how powerful that can be.

Another question I have would be to define 'over-acceleration'. Is it accelerating the hands too far into the release period or accelerating the hands to a speed that can't be maintained through release and impact?

CG

The urge to "hack" it hard and far, which causes early throwaway (shaft kick-forward).
The muscular effort is for "sustaining the lag", not "hack".

The club lag is supported by accumulator lag, which is supported by pivot lag, fast, slow or in-between.

Thanks for the reply's guys.

cometgolfer in my question i definitely meant the latter.

So, so far i understand it is important to have the correct intention when creating power. But doesn't this still encompass the 'adding' i described in the first post. Is it that simple?

As a swinger if i keep my left arm inert and don't 'add' with my right, can i over-accelerate?

Moving the hands independentlycauses over-acceleration...For instance pulling the left arm down and forward independent of the Pivot Train is an example of over acceleration...Also a improper loading can cause over acceleration...For instance resisting the backstroke only to try and drag the club down by pulling ..which are completely incompatible loading procedures

How about OVERLOADING?

One of the biggest causes is lack of 'smoothness'.

By that I mean a swinger needs to be building speed. One of my favorite quotes from Al Geiberger "there can only be one 'fastest' part of the swing".

A swinger who tries to make that fastest point either 'at' the ball or worse, before impact, is over accelerating. The idea is to try to make that fastest point AFTER impact, THROUGH the ball, and by doing so help sustain the line of compression (minimize impact decel).

Certainly adding right arm, or incompatible loading/unloading (bad transition), are factors.

Efficient force is always smooth and feels very heavy.

Rotate
 

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"Can you rotate too fast?"... I believe the ROTATION of the Body has more to do with Rhythm. 6-B-3-O "The Turning Rate of the Pivot Components--especially the Shoulder Turn as actuated by Hip Action(7-15)--Must be Identical and synchronus with the #3 Accumulator Roll, else its Rhythm gets distrpted."

SPlain yourself Lagster...What does identical and synchronus with the #3 Roll mean?

This is your section to INCUBATE!!!

10-19-C DRAG LOADING Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the “Swinger,” an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release. Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow – feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Points #1 to support the Pull on the Clubshaft – especially for Short Shot Power.

Develop an “Instant Acceleration” Hip Action (to the desired Hand-speed per 10-15-B) so that the Throw Out Action (6-B-3) can immediately set up the Rhythm and take over the rest of the Downstroke sequence (6-M-1). See 2-K and 6-F-0. With or without Wristcock, always Drag (Pull 10-3-D) a swinging Club Down Plane – even with only Centrifugal (Angular) Momentum (2-K) See 10-23-C.

For Clubhead Throwaway prevention, monitor the pull of Centrifugal Force and Drag of the Lagging Clubhead.

And this . . .

CENTRIFUGAL FORCE Example – whirling weight on a string.
Mechanical – The resistance of the Inertia in an orbiting object to change in direction.
Golf – The effort of the Swinging Clubhead to pull the Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) into a straight line.

So why Instant Hip Acceleration? Basically Mr. K wants you to start quick with the hips to overcome the Inertia of the club GOING BACK in the Backstroke. This will Load your #4 Pressure Point and #3 Pressure Point. Then all you gotta do is STAY INFRONT of it (see the red underlined part). Just MAINTAIN it. Otherwise you'll overload it and stifle CF. You can pivot too fast and too hard. Just MAINTAIN your pivot speed and stay ahead.

Study this section . . . it is PURE FREAKIN' GENIOUS. It the utilization of the power of CF that made Mr. K say you could Swing in your sleep . . . you don't DO MUCH when you sleep right?

Roll
 

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I believe what this means is... the speed(RPM) of the TURNING TORSO, and speed of the ROLL of the #3 Accumulator must match up to maintain #3 Accumulator Rhythm.

What do you think?

Too much to be sustained.

I would agree, this is something i had to learn when i learned how to "spin the flywheel." in the begining i would keep haning shots our to the right or just plain hook them because i didn't have the right amount of roll for the pivot speed i was producing. This led to throwaway and inconsistent alignments.

How to do both in sync, everything was better again :)

Can you swing a flail too fast?

As long as its always accelerating,

CW

Sorry another question (or 2..)
 

Thanks for all your posts guys, lot’s of valuable info. But I can’t resist one more question…

I heard a lot of posts mention SUSTAINING the lag pressure and it occurred to me i'm not sure on what this entails. Specifically why can't you sustain the lag when you've overloaded.

I do try to think about the answers to my questions before I ask them. So below are some of my thoughts just to give you guys an idea of where i'm at.

To sustain lag you need acceleration of hands. Over acceleration can occur when you get to your maximum hand speed too early. For swingers hand speed is dependent on pivot speed. Does this mean our pivot has to accelerate? How does this relate to the #4 accumulator and the left arm blast off, as this must provide a boost in hand speed. But if the pivot reaches maximum pivot speed too early could this cause an early release of 4th accumulator and thus over acceleration?

Is this complete baloney or am I actually getting somewhere.

Cheers,

Danny

Yes sir. You are getting somewhere. Remember it is SUSTAIN the Lag not INCREASE the Lag. So what the heck does that mean? Well . . . overacceleration is the menace that stalks all Lag and Drag. Why? Because if you load too hard you can't MAINTAIN that level of Pressure Point Pressure and you HAVE TO THROW IT AWAY. Deliberate and heavy . . . drag the wet mop. But with swinging you will not feel the pressure as strongly so you need to be really intune to the message your pressure points are sending.

Experiment with this . . . load #4 HARD and see how it works out. Then back it off. Remember you are ALLOWING CF to work. You don't want to stifle it. As your left arm and the club are going back make a quick hip turn to overcome their inertia and then just keep turning. Not harder. Just keep going. Let it happen. Like when you really bust it when you're laying up. You are allowing CF to release your accumulators with out overloading.

Experiment with Float Loading and the Lagging Rightfore Arm take away. Mr. K said it was almost impossible to throw it when you float.

Drill / Procedure
 

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So... a good Drill or even Procedure would be to LAG IT BACK(with the Lagging Right Forearm Takeaway), and as it is still going back... PULL it down, via THE HIP ACTION, AND RIGHT SHOULDER THROW. DRAG IT BACK, AND BEFORE IT STOPS...PULL IT DOWN. (A SWINGING PROCEDURE)

What do you think?

Yes sir. BUT remember . . . Per 10-19-B . . . "Float Loading" also describes this procedure - especially the sensation, because the Cocking motion should not be at all sharp, but gentle, or even lazy.

Which takes us right back full circle to OVERLOADING.

Overloading? Can someone explain??

EDIT:

Oh ok I think I get it.....the club bounces back when it loads....

Kinda reminds me of that little Els transition move....but it doesn't seem like he overloads....and he has a pretty late release too.

I think the reason for the look of Els' transition is that he comes over his backswing plane.

Naw Doo Doo Head . . . Overloading is basically Overaccelerating and putting too much pressure on your pressure points which you cannot sustain through the ball and thus you have to THROW IT.

Strong Deliberat Heavy Constant Hands Speed.