Timing - Flip v. Roll
 

Hi all, my name's David and I'm a flipper! There, it's out! Don't like it and trying to change it, but there it is.

Been working diligently. Seen BM's seminal 'Confessions..' video. Fantastic. Read the yellow book, and re-read etc. Scoured this forum and BM's and CE's. Now I think I understand, in theory, what the correct action through the ball should be.

However, as understanding dawns so despair descends. It seems to me now that, as a swinger, the timing of the roll from impact to separation and swivel is just as tricky as timing the flip ever was! (PS I know there are lots of other disadvantages of flipping outside of timing issues). And it seems that although timing the roll correctly produces beautiful shots, mis-timing it has dire consequences that the flip never dreamt of!

Is it simply that since the light bulbs have only just come on I have to give the light chance to fill the room? ie my hands are just at the start of the education process and need to be given time?

Help!

I feel as if there is no timing involved.

Where’s why-

A swinger whirls the clubhead and allows CF to square the club via the pivot. The hands are clamps. But clamps with sensors points- the three pressure points. PP3 traces the plane line which trains the pivot which squares the clubface at impact.

Do the hands roll? Sure- ON PLANE. Start up swivel, a turn to the right (On Plane). The Pivot (lower body) moves the On Plane hands on the Downswing. The pivot turning and the release of acc#2, then #3 ( uncocking and rolling/transfer) while acc#4- the left arm, the Lever and pivot drives to follow through and the end. At no time will the hands move themselves that will allow the left wrist to become bent or the right to straightening before or at impact. When the Left is always Flat and the right remains bent through the ball- a flip will not exist. NO timing needed for the hands. A well trained Pivot- trained and designed by the hands -will need Pace and Rhythm but not the hands alone.

And a Hitter just flat outs dumps the clubhead through the ball to low point with a bend right wrist and a driving right arm.

IT takes more than just a pivot for the swinger must learn to throw the club down and out. "THROW not throw away"

I didn't want to overload the post. :eyes:

The throw is the left arm lever acc2 and 3 whirling to impact. But don't stop the pivot. The hands will not like their highway shut down.

You are to . . .

1. Exit the FORUM
2. Go to the Gallery
3. Click upon Lynn Blake
4. Scroll down until Ready to Roll on the Plane is visible
5. Click on Roll on the Plane
6. Watch it
7. Learn it
8. Live it
9. Love it

I'm VERY partical to that one. :) Homer's greatest hits. Heck- check out the swivel vid, too. :eyes:

Sure, seen that. Great video. Was part of my education process. However nothing in that vid suggests that the pivot just takes care of it. It suggests to me that you have to uncock and roll with the hands/wrists/forearms. Preparing to do it at the top and doing it from release point to follow through.

Still seems to me that timing is involved. It's a great feeling when you do it right, but....

6bmike - Thanks for your replies, I take the point of not letting the pivot stop and shutting down the highway, I know I have a tendency to allow that to happen, which doesn't help.

mb, that rings bells. I'm not sure my pivot throws down and out correctly. Any tips as to how I can learn to do this? Thnx.

Any intent of "flip" or "roll" leads to "throwaway".

What you would be practicing there is a Non-Automatic Release . . . once you got that down . . . you can jack it up to an Automatic Snap Release where you your pivot does more.

Something to add to the incubator - focus on your right forearm motion and your right elbow positon and make slow motion swings from hip to hip, then hip (backswing) to full finish. Check your impact position and make sure your left arm and club are in line (face on) and your right forearm and shaft are in line (down the line). Move slowly and smoothly, no jerky motions, and when you get to your finish position, hold it for a count of ten to check your balance.

Doing this will help show you how a focus on your right forearm can dictate to your pivot, a hands control, or forearm control, motion.

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The pivot is not a spin but a weigh transfer plus rotation. I had the problem of stopping the pivot to slug at the ball. I re-designed the pivot hip action to build the Lane for the hands and arms which allowed me to continue to rotate with my Educated hands. In fact, now stopping is a braking action and who does that?

It is the hands not the pivot attached to the club but I feel my right hip and hands strike through the ball at the same time.

Is a flip always a flip
 

Guys, another question (or 2) on 'flipping' if I may, and I'm sure you're gonna think these are stupid questions. Feel free. I'm probably showing my ignorance.

Q: Is a flip only a flip if it's done before impact and leads to BLW through impact? Is it still a flip if it's done when the hands are past the ball (but prior to impact) ie if you've managed to get your hands past the ball leading the clubhead but then 'flip'?