Giving it away
 

When we decided to start this website and forum it was done under a couple of premises; To help promote Lynn Blake and to open up Homers work to the world.

From the beginning, Lynn and I both shared a common philosophy which is, the understanding of Homers work shouldn't be limited to just a handful of people. It should be opened up and clarified for the benefit of players, teachers, and duffers alike. The TGM system still has a long way to go before it is recognized as mainstream, but within the highest levels of instruction it is recognized as an important system. Keeping the understanding of TGM limited to just a handful of people wasn't going to revolutionize golf or give Homer Kelley the recognition he deserves. Even those who stand on Homer's shoulders have failed to give him credit.

We give away a tremendous amount of information here, information others charge for and in some cases, information others use publicly without crediting Homer or Lynn.

For instance, Lynn introduced using dowels as an important teaching device well before we had this site up and running. Its not about the dowel, but how they are used that is key. Now you will find instructors with dowels in hand everywhere you look, including throughout the new website of The Golfing Machine, LLC. We also watch The Golf Channel and see drills and concepts introduced by Lynn being taught by others (who, on at least three occasions, have been his students).

Will we continue giving it away?

The basic premise for starting this site still stands, and although Lynn isn't given public credit for the contributions he's making, the well is very deep and there is much, much more to come.

thank you
 

I thank Lynn every day for the help that he's been to me. But, you deserve our gratitude, too. I'm sure that not many people realize the amount of time that you spend making this site what it is.

Thank you Bagger, for the time that you give away.

Ted Fort

Cutting To the Chase...
 

Let me be more direct:

Without Mike Lance...

There would be no LynnBlakeGolf.com.

:salut:

Trademark Dowel?
 

Thanks guys - :redface:

But back to the point.

Where can I buy stock in a dowel manufacturer?

I thought it was common knowledge that Lynn was number 1 coach/teacher in the world. Goes without saying the web site is also the best.

VERY disappointed
 

I was VERY disappointed watching Martin Hall on TGC the other night. He quotes Homer’s line about the ball that goes into the water as acting lawful and doesn’t mention the source- HOMER KELLEY. And with much TGM throughout the show and after demonstrating a left hand swivel movement with the young Pressel credits Betholy and Penick- not that either one doesn’t “catch rain drops” but… where was Kelley? Hall rents Ben Doyle tapes by the bushel and he has attended one of Lynn’s workshops. He knows his TGM. Seems that Homer vis book and Blake via internet are the un-credited Well of Information.

Also while my TGM feathers are ruffled, I saw Mark Evershed on a video clip read from one of his office walls a rather large display of a quote about Educated Hands- it was a reproduction of a page from Homer’s 6th Edition. Of course he didn’t give credit to the source. He did give credit to the other wall- a copy of a page from Hogan’s book.

For too long TGM and Homer Kelley have been kept close to the vest of teaching pros as if it is their private source. And let no one know who had the original thought.

It doesn’t surprise me that, Lynn Blake, who is teaching what Homer taught him, is now the “Open Source” for the PGA.

MH has credited Homer recently..
 

Mike, FWIW, in one of Martin Hall's previous episodes, he DID name Homer and The Golfing Machine during his lesson, giving him credit for what he was teaching in that lesson. I was quite surprised that the Golf Channel even let him mention Homer's name. :)

Here is a link to the thread about this episode:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=3476

The bigger picture...
 

While we all like to receive credit where credit is due, it is more important to get proper instruction to the general golfing public (us choppers and foot sloggers). There are enough glory seekers out there. I really appreciate Lynn's generosity in sharing his knowledge without concern for credit/glory.

Mother Teresa once said, "There are two kinds of people-- those who get things done, and those who take credit for it. :eyes:

I've read Evershed giving credit to Homer and TGM. Can you trademark a drill? If you can, then maybe that's the route Lynn should go if he feels he's getting shafted.

I don't think Lynn feels he is getting shafted. That was not the point in my post. As Yoda, Lynn is trying to get Homer's word out to the public- one of the last few that had a chance to learn from Mr. Kelley.

I do feel that too many people see the TGM Book as a hidden treasure, a private source, and don't properly give credit to the Homer.

I work in a business where source is everything and I just feel a near quote should be identified.

Agree completely, colleges kick people out for not citing sources.

Off topic first..

1. I don't believe many golf instructors/coaches, etc actually quote or attempt to quote verbatim. Therefore I am not sure they are obligated or required to name sources.

2. Most of the time golf instructors/coaches, etc reference another instructor, it seem to me that they are doing it to gain creditability in what they saying themselves.

3. With all the documentation in existence in golf and all the exposure one recieves, often it is multiple sources that the information is from as well as only the parts that they have adopted usually through testing. In this process they merge it into what they already have.

Just something for others to think about.

As for Yoda's works and those who have put the countless hours in on this board as well as off, doing vid clips, etc. I can only say that it amazing what is so freely given. The dowels were unique IMO, in fact the first time I was introduce to them, I thought this was a bit different. I had before Yoda used one for the practice station, alignment, but had no idea the benefits that could be had from them. Beyond the plane line alignment, we discover a whole new world of alignments and drills that allow you to build a solid G.O.L.F stroke.

Heck Yoda has these laying around in everyroom in house, well except the bathroom.

Surfing a number of golf sites, IMO this the tops when it comes to golf knowledge and instruction.

Thank You Yoda

Thanks to Team LBG for a great site.....

Getting to be a top dog, a known top 100 instructor is cut throat for some. I think it would suck big time to see some one pop up on Academy Live with dowels and worked the Incline Plane and Impact Fix or if they started to speak specific TGM concepts and receive credit as if it was their work. It will happen.

Hall recited almost verbatim the lawful obedience of a struck ball that veered into the water that Homer wrote about. No biggie here but as I said- the book seems to be a source that many instructors think nobody else knows of.

And Evershed papered one of his walls with an eight foot page from The Golfing Machine and read it directly. No problem given Hogan credit when he stepped over to that papered wall from Hogan’s book. Why not Homer? I know Evershed respects the guy but he seems to hide him from view.

Obscurity is not in the best interest of TGM. It has come a long way since the early internet forums, 8 or 9n yrs ago. The internet and TGM are perfect together.

Learning From Yoda -- Up Close And Personal
 

Martin Hall, GSEM, is a true professional doing an outstanding job educating all who would listen on The Golf Channel, in his Golf Magazine articles and in his books for the PGA TOUR. He is an Instructor's Instructor, and I am proud to know him.

At the same time, he has not learned from me just "via the Internet."

He was my student for three days at my 'comeback' Workshop...

Secrets of the Golfing Machine with Chuck Evans.

PGA TOUR Academy.

April 2004.

:)

I don't want to get into defending these other people...but exactly what is in TGM was new that hadn't been spoke before.

Granted Homer cataloged and named/renamed a number of items, but with out any credit by Homer to his sources, one might wonder why and or who?

I just picked up a book, dated 1941, the first place I open too, totally random was a diagram showing the Hula Dancer..there were other references which you can find in TGM. I can name a number of items that I have come across in other publications. E. Jones and pen knife and rag (the rope), etc. That in no way IMO takes away from TGM.

Do not take this in anyway to put down TGM. It is just that unless you quote it exactly, I don't see that the person has necessarily done anything wrong.

Now I posted in another thread what disturbs me the most is that version 7 is the last of Homer's works. It ends there. Now it is on those who have adopted TGM to pick up the torch and go forward. Yoda certainly has done that IMO. TGM LLC effort to train more AI is also an effort. But to be honest until we get Leadbetter to stand up and say 'This is great stuff', every instructor should read it and then some other's , I fear that TGM is destine to be a 3rd class citizen in the golf regarding acknowledgment. What we need is Yoda's best seller on Golf, G.O.L.F and TGM, but I fear that may not be possible if TGM LLC claims copyright/trademark, etc.

But for a few of us, which is growing in numbers, we are fortunate to have this site...

Words Written...Words Spoken
 

6b,

:) Check the book. The quote you attribute to Homer Kelley? It ain't there.

And yet he said it, and Martin Hall, GSEM, correctly quoted it.

How do we know he said it?

Because it is in the taped record of his words to my 1982 GSEM Class.

Homer Kelley's book is wondrous, but his essence is in his own words.

And how have those who were not in that class come to know these wonderful words?

Because one of us -- whose dimestore recorder was running throughout that class -- felt it was important to reveal them to the rest of us.

And now, via my Academies, private students, international professional presentations and the Internet, the world knows.

Homer Kelley's dream was to bring the fruit of his 40 years of research 'mainstream.'

In his absentia, I am proud to help make it happen.

Read Homer Kelley.

Read LynnBlakeGolf.com.

Read the most precise instruction in The Game.

The Challenge
 

Thanks, Martee... For your past support of LBG and for your everpresent friendship. You have been there from 'the beginning,' and I cannot tell you how much that has meant to me.

Now, in your support, you have thrown the gauntlet.

And I have picked it up.

You cannot believe its weight.

Without Lynn....
 

I would not be were I am right now, a GSEB. As I have said on another thread; Thank you for coming to Sweden.

But at the same time I would like to take the chance of thanking Henning Lundstrom, GSEM, who was the one who invited you and have been my support here at home.

Now,

What I would like to know is If, and if so, what is the problem with home office!

Going the class, we STRICTLY did it by the book, ie, Homers word. Without any personal preferences or opinion.

As I see it, all of us who go by the book, complement each other, and do carry on Homers word.

I think Henning did his bachelor 6 years ago and he was all alone here, now we are 4 AI`s and the word WILL be spread around.

And lastly:

Lynn - muchas gracias por tu generosidad!!!!:salut:

Henning Lundstrom -- Sweden's Iron Man
 

Javier,

Henning Lundstrom, GSEM, made Sweden happen for the 2006 Sweden PGA Teaching and Coaching Summit, for you and for me.

He and I have spent many hours together -- both in your country and mine -- and we have learned from each other. He is the 2006 PGA Teacher of the Year in his own Section -- the largest in Sweden -- and one of Europe's great leaders in TGM.

There is much yet to be done.

I am proud to call him my friend.

And i will second the "gauntlet" :)

And Homer used this parable when he wrote the text explaining the GOLF stroke of Bobby Clampett for SI.

I know Martin attended a Yoda workshop and knows his TGM and I'm not busting him totally, I know he is one of the good guys. We used to talk when he followed his wife on the LPGA.

Martee- Homer never claimed to invent the golf swing but there is such a thing as Intellectual Property. E. Jones and pen knife and rag, McLean’s X-Factor, Boomer’s Barrel are all Intellectual Property. And Homer has plenty. Nobody fails to mention these but fail to credit Mr. Kelley.

Spread the Word
 

...and the WORD when translated to ACTION will speak for itself. I would only hazard to guess that Mr. Kelley would be more concerned about spreading the Truth rather than worrying about whether due credit was given back to him. Too much about what has been written about golf mechanics has its foundation from what was taught and learned from others in the past. Why spend so much time and energy concerned about who gets the credit. Let others waste their energy on DUE CREDIT and WHO'S THE BEST.

Once again- it is about Intellectual Property and preventing others from capitalizing on original ideas without due credit. Again- Homer would tell you that he didn't invent the golf swing but he did develop- Extensor Action, Flying Wedges, Accumulators, etc. These are Intellectual Property, original concepts. I hope you take and use these concepts for all they're worth. But a teacher that earns a living should at the very least, know who built their career. Homer Kelley should be at the top of the list, not some footnote or private resource for many. Others get credit, it is time Homer and his life earns some respect also.

so many great posts...
 

Spread the message correctly and some will seek to know the source and not just the messenger. If good TGM instruction gets out to the public, no matter who delivers that instruction, there will be some who want to discover where this good stuff really came from! Then just wait for the ripples... but at the moment the pond is small... get the message out there into the ocean and wait for the ripples ... suddenly "surfs up"!

Patience is the key... Homer spent 40+years doing it ...

How many of us post on the internet on TGM specific sites but don't write to golf magazines ? Have you seen the average standard of "letters to the editor"?? How many times does "Slow play" get "letter of the month"!!!!

I suggest gentle letters to a few editors and see what happens. Lets not appear too crazy!! Maybe Bucket had better put his pen down now and stand away from paper!! Can he write anyway??:laughing9

Another win
 

To all eyes and ears,

Chiragh Kumar secured a top ten finish with a score of 9 under in the Indian Open which is an Asian Tour event and won the Ametuer title. Joseph Chakola couldnt play as he is representing the country in the Eisenhower Cup in South Africa. We have three Asian games entrants who are TGM students which are the above two and Meghna Bal.

I am trying to get TGM ALL OVER the Indian Subcontinent and in the coming year shall hopefully fulfill my committment to my cause. The talent is flowing in to the stable and hopefully will bring laurels to the teachings of TGM and of course the man himself - Homer Kelly.

I'm trying to reach out and tell the Indian young talent to understand the geometry of alignments and physics of rotation and absorb and apply the TRUTH. Not the myths and theory --- and they will prevail. THATS THE GOAL.

Look out guys G.O.L.F. in India is happenning.

Vikram

Bucket's wife will write for him but only after he is done with every single humiliating chore she assigns. As we can see by his tremendous number of posts, he is quite the worker!

Tremendous work Vikram, keep on rolling.

Bucket On Break
 

Bucket is on vacation -- he said something about 'camping' -- and out-of-pocket over the next couple of weeks. I don't think 'the Missus' is allowing him near a computer, so don't be surprised at his posting holiday. :crybaby:

Persevere...
 

Vikram,

Persevere and you will achieve your goal...congrats! :)

A few years back I wrote to Golf Mag about honoring Homer Kelley in their Hall of Fame. That it would be nice to do this while Sally was a live. I asked others to follow up with a letter. I never hear a word from them. I have written Golf Tips mag about a TGM column- nothing. Even my paper doesn't want to do a story but wrestling away story space from a golf writer is like messing with his wife. I have tried. I do think it is a crime for Homer's work to go uncredited.

You mean , "Put his crayon down and stand away from the brown paper sack." :eyes:

I guessed it had been tried before ... but no harm in persisting. I will send one off, let the trickle begin...

I thought i was getting a bit cocky but you are really digging the child-proof scissors in!

I feel fairly safe in UK - it will be a long time before he realises that Englan-istan is not on any map!

6Bmike, you are aware that a whole series was done in the early 80s about TGM and Homer in Golf Monthly?

I don't know if the sister publication ran them, I wasn't in the country at the time.

I was doing a bit of digging into the IP issue you raised.

It seems that AIs, if they pay their dues they can
- Use their title/designation on business cards, stationary, websites and locally displayed signs
- Can in limited use the Logo providing it is pre-approved
- AI can may give private or group golf lessons using the techniques learned from the book The Golfing Machine

They don't say you can't write, etc and that you don't have get prior approval. I am sure as it is with all material that is normally referenced, you just get approval prior and while doing research, however I don't believe you have to submit for review, but then again they don't have give you approval.

I am still troubled by the need for teaching professionals to HAVE TO give credit, I only see them doing it is an entire quote or they are trying to get validation.

From 69 to 83, it seems that TGM really didn't take hold, yet it had several opportunities when the PGA looking at it, etc.

Its a hard sell so it would appear.

well I guess we are all free to take from Homer and from how Lynn unlocked its mysteries and capitalize on it without a care.

The one newspaper article I have seen that mentioned TGM was an interview with Ben Doyle that appeared in the Monterey Peninsula Herald two or three years ago. The article was on the newspaper's website at one time, I am not sure it is still on the site. I happened to see the article when I went to the Monterey peninsula to play Pacific Grove Muni.

I'm surprised Golf Tips didn't respond. The few issues I have seen of theirs have had very obvious TGM influence, more obvious than the main mags or TGC (which are becoming more and more clear and direct over the last several years/months - with obvious influence from the 'boards' IMO).

No doubt if ANY instructor truly belongs in the Hall of Fame, it is Homer Kelley.

here, here...
 

I'll second that motion.

You hit the nail on the head there.

Too many DORKS who know too little....with too big of egos....and too much $$$ out there to have. (to cloud it all)

Anyone who KNOWS knows how good this book is.

Plan and simple. I could rant about this for lines and lines and lines...

It's just an injustice...

To Homer...to AIs who know better....to golfers who are getting CRAP shoved in their faces from every direction.

It's absolutely ridiculous.

I agree 100%. And surely if they had a section for golf researchers....it should be named after the man.

Wildfire
 

Don't sell yourselves short. Some vested interests may be reluctant to acknowledge or credit Homer but even here in rural Western Australia I have seen the seeds planted by Lynn starting to sprout. Your videos are circulating and even some club members who have never laid a finger on a computer in their lives know of Yoda and the flying wedges.
Without the approval of the establishment or the support of golf magazines, the word is spreading rapidly where it counts - at the grass roots. Multiply that by country after country and mainstream recognition is inevitable. It is simply a matter of time before those who are serious about learning the golf stroke will demand TGM.