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KnighT 03-03-2007 06:51 PM

An Ode to Mr. Homer Kelley
 
I flipped on the Honda Classic and noticed that it is sponsered by Boeing. That just made me think about Mr. Homer Kelley and all the great things he has given to golf, as well as creating (or discovering) G.O.L.F.

Yoda 03-03-2007 08:13 PM

The Birthright
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KnighT (Post 39336)

If this website has had any influence on your golf please send a shout-out (because this website might not exist without Homer Kelley).

No "might" about it, KnighT. Had Homer Kelley and his Golfing Machine not entered my life, this website absolutely would not exist. His life's work is our birthright.

I strive everyday to present The Golfing Machine as Homer wrote it and as he taught me. I do so without compromise or apology. There are those in some quarters whose egos can't quite handle that. Nevertheless, despite their protestations and misrepresentations, I am here.

And I am proud to stand alone, if necessary, to preserve the integrity of his work.

Uppndownn 03-03-2007 08:20 PM

Alone?
 
O Green One,

No need to stand alone. :naughty:

I think there are over 3,700 of us here with you along for the ride.

UPP in still too cold to play Ohio

6bmike 03-03-2007 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 39342)

There are those in some quarters whose egos can't quite handle that. Nevertheless, despite their protestations and misrepresentations, I am here.

And I am proud to stand alone, if necessary, to preserve the integrity of his work.

Lynn- Never alone while I'm here.

Yoda 03-04-2007 03:21 PM

Alone TOGETHER
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uppndownn (Post 39343)

O Green One,

No need to stand alone. :naughty:

I think there are over 3,700 of us here with you along for the ride.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike (Post 39344)

Lynn- Never alone while I'm here.

Thanks, guys. :salut:

When I said "alone," I was referring to our group. Or, as we have been labeled by a derisive, self-avowed competitor, our "sect," the "book literalists."

Our group includes not only myself, but also all who support Lynn Blake Golf and its mission. That includes the many LBG supporters, students, Academy Instructors, Professional Contributors and friends in this country and around the world.

As for the labeling:

Sect n. A group of people forming a distinct unit within a larger group by virtue of certain refinements or distinctions of belief or practice.

Literalist n. One who adheres to the explicit sense of a given text or doctrine.

Works for me!

:)

Bagger Lance 03-04-2007 04:04 PM

Shadow Boxing
 
I think Homer would be proud and delighted that there are so many AI's who put their own unique talents and gifts into teaching his fundamental work.

I also think he would be ashamed of the few sr. AI's who spend a great deal of time attempting to discredit and outright misrepresent Lynn and other prominent instructors as they shadow box on their own sites.

I'm thankful there isn't any "new" definitions or interpretations of Homers work here. No muddy water, no opinions about what is or isn't orthodox, just clear communication passed down on Homers 40 years of research.

Politics in this business is a complete waste of time as has been proven for nearly 25 years. Politics aside, there is a fertile field to plow and this place has the expertise to deliver world class instruction...worldwide.

Amen Corner 03-04-2007 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 39362)
I also think he would be ashamed of the few sr. AI's who spend a great deal of time attempting to discredit and outright misrepresent Lynn and other prominent instructors as they shadow box on their own sites.

For what it is worth, here are my reflections/observations/thoughts.

Is it a coincidence that the named few has the same mentor?

Does the hostility, if there is one, lie on a deeper level?

There is one argument that "the other side" always seem to bring forward:

"The Canton video" and that it tells "the truth"!

What did happend here?

Yoda 03-04-2007 07:53 PM

The Angry Man
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amen Corner (Post 39365)

Is it a coincidence that the named few has the same mentor?

Does the hostility, if there is one, lie on a deeper level?

There is one argument that "the other side" always seem to bring forward:

"The Canton video" and that it tells "the truth"!

What did happend here?

1. The mentor is Ben Doyle. He has trained many thousands of students and is not responsible for the regrettable behavior of a few.

2. Oh yes, there is hostility. An outright, abrasive hostility that is clearly evident in the recent finger-pointing, "you've just been beaten over the head" video of the major protagonist. It is the most hostile and divisive golf video ever filmed. In fact, it is without precedent in the game. And, oh yes, that hostility is born of frustration on a much deeper level...a level that has absolutely nothing to do with golf instruction, The Golfing Machine or even me. IMHO, of course.

3. The Canton video (of a first-and-last joint school) is a proprietary work. The school itself went well, but due to unforeseen circumstances, the video was delayed. Unfortunately, by the time the producer was able to complete his work, the "other side" had declared me their "enemy," and as you have correctly noted, was vowing to use the video to reveal "the truth," i.e., to see "who out-taught who at Canton." They would 'prove,' once and for all, who in fact was "the best." [As if anybody, other than themselves, actually cared.]

In other words, this video of a wonderful school was destined to become mere cannon fodder in the kangaroo courts they call "discussion and debate." The pre-game titter in the grandstands of their forums provided ample evidence of the coming mockery. There was no way I could let the school and its students be prostituted for that purpose.

I had hoped that time would provide a resolution to this problem. Instead, the blatant attacks and misrepresentations have continued and grown even worse. So, at least for now, the producer and I have absorbed the cost, shelved the video and that is that.

6bmike 03-05-2007 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 39373)
1. The mentor is Ben Doyle. He has trained many thousands of students and is not responsible for the regrettable behavior of a few.

2. Oh yes, there is hostility. An outright, abrasive hostility that is clearly evident in the recent finger-pointing, "you've just been beaten over the head" video of the major protagonist. It is the most hostile and divisive golf video ever filmed. In fact, it is without precedent in the game. And, oh yes, that hostility is born of frustration on a much deeper level...a level that has absolutely nothing to do with golf instruction, The Golfing Machine or even me. IMHO, of course.

3. The Canton video (of a first-and-last joint school) is a proprietary work. The school itself went well, but due to unforeseen circumstances, the video was delayed. Unfortunately, by the time the producer was able to complete his work, the "other side" had declared me their "enemy," and as you have correctly noted, was vowing to use the video to reveal "the truth," i.e., to see "who out-taught who at Canton." They would 'prove,' once and for all, who in fact was "the best." [As if anybody, other than themselves, actually cared.]

In other words, this video of a wonderful school was destined to become mere cannon fodder in the kangaroo courts they call "discussion and debate." The pre-game titter in the grandstands of their forums provided ample evidence of the coming mockery. There was no way I could let the school and its students be prostituted for that purpose.

I had hoped that time would provide a resolution to this problem. Instead, the blatant attacks and misrepresentations have continued and grown even worse. So, at least for now, the producer and I have absorbed the cost, shelved the video and that is that.

1-Ben is our friend at LBG. I have a wonderful interview between Ben and Lynn- I plan to get on site.

2- By the time I got the video together- about 6 dvds worth. It became evident that one side wanted to use it as a destructive tool. I would not allow this. Maybe it was a blessing that I was delayed- but it was my call to file it away. I would not particapte in this. Does this suck? Blame me.

What was in it? Five outstanding AI's teaching a great group of students. Was one AI better than the others? Are steaks better than seafood? Is Ale bteer than Lager? Cheesecake or ice cream? What day is today? All five did great. All five honored Homer Kelley. But things changed. If Lynn or I knew the outcome- I would have never accepted the job.

I have posted some videos from Canton - 6b productions- a few more to come.

I don't know what the recent finger pointing is all about- I haven't been on that site since 2005.

KOC 03-05-2007 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 6bmike (Post 39390)
I don't know what the recent finger pointing is all about- I haven't been on that site since 2005.

As an outsider as well as a fan of Homer Kelley’s work, I really enjoy all those great jobs from A.I.s

I viewed that video, but I think that is a sad one. IMO, a sad day for “TGM”

BTW, this topic is ode to MR. Homer Kelley, i will say as self-taught hacker like me can really play like a PRO with the help of wonderful TGM book. Shot 83 yesterday with concepts of RFT allowing the pivot to come along, up the plane and down the plane, stationary head...:salut: Mr. Homer and LBG.

6bmike 03-05-2007 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KOC (Post 39394)
As an outsider as well as a fan of Homer Kelley’s work, I really enjoy all those great jobs from A.I.s

I viewed that video, but I think that is a sad one. IMO, a sad day for “TGM”

BTW, this topic is ode to MR. Homer Kelley, i will say as self-taught hacker like me can really play like a PRO with the help of wonderful TGM book. Shot 83 yesterday with concepts of RFT allowing the pivot to come along, up the plane and down the plane, stationary head...:salut: Mr. Homer and LBG.

Homer and Lynn- perfect together.

Yoda 03-05-2007 09:18 PM

His Own Highness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KnighT (Post 39410)

As a result of being naive, for some reason I do not see 2 websites divided. I see 2 very good people who are both outstanding golf teachers trying to help hackers like me play better golf. I see one Golfing Machine.

KnighT,

Thank you for your many supporting comments. LynnBlakeGolf.com is a team effort, and we work very hard to deliver information you find intellectually stimulating and useful to your game.

Regarding your quote above, as you visit the "2 sites," you may well be seeing, as you say, "two outstanding golf teachers trying to help hackers play better golf." Unfortunately...

You are also seeing one of those "outstanding golf teachers" doing his dead-level best to discredit the other (namely, me).

He does it in person.

He does it in print.

And he does it in video.

That's pretty well hitting on all cylinders, don't you think?

:violent:

Now, lest I begin to feel 'special,' I am compelled to admit that he also spends a great deal of time 'grading' and discrediting other "outstanding golf teachers" as well. In fact, there are very few instructors of note that have not found themselves between his cross-hairs. By his own appointment, he serves as judge, jury and executioner of many of the game's greatest teaching talents. Thank goodness we have someone of his unique abilities to assume this thankless task!

Why, just yesterday, for example, in the thread on his site that is currently trashing teaching professionals Andy Plummer and Mike Bennett, two of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and true emerging talents, he wrote:

"But if they teach someone something I think is fishy, sorry...I'll let 'em know right here."

Thank you, Brian. We needed that! We need to know that these top-flight teachers with a growing stable of the world's best players are, in fact, mere mortals.

-- That they are flawed and unworthy of the heights they have attained.

-- That they can't 'get away with it' on your watch.

-- That they are no better than you! In fact, as you have said many times, they are not nearly as good as you. :notworthy

They need to know that.

And your readers need to know that.

Most of all, you need to know that.

And since nobody else is saying it -- :( - you do. Cool. It's a free country, and it's your website to do with as you please. As you have also told us many times. :salut:

Actually, KnighT, despite our woeful inadequacies, I know that Brian wants only the best for the rest of us golf teachers. Particularly those who seem to making some progress. :-D In fact, on the Plummer and Bennett thread, when a poster had the timerity to defend these new-found targets, he was quickly put straight as to the rewards of a public pilloring on his site:

"Maybe you'll realize that your guys might benefit from some honest analysis."

:book:

Gee, I feel better already.

8-[

To date, his venom has always been in direct proportion to the teacher's standing in the national Top Teacher lists. The higher the standing, the greater the vitriolic bombast.

Except for me, of course. Lowly as I may be, I seem to warrant special attention.

Lucky me.

:)

Uppndownn 03-05-2007 10:43 PM

Competition?
 
Yoda,

Your post reflects your disappointment.

However, what others think and do is out of your control. Please continue competing with yourself, and not others. Look at the great community gathered around you! I am sure Homer would have been proud of the way you have carried on the TGM legacy, and continue to reach out to players of all levels all over the globe.

This is a great place, with an outstanding group of contributors. Please don't let the potshots from the cheap seats get you down.

UPP in still too cold to play Ohio

ps. I also nominate your previous post for most outstanding use of icons!

12 piece bucket 03-05-2007 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Uppndownn (Post 39419)
Please don't let the potshots from the cheap seats get you down.

Popshots aimed directly at LBG . . . but Homer Kelley takes the bullets.

First shot . . . 1st Essential DOA
Second shot . . . Tripod takes a cap in datazz
Third shot . . . poor some beer on the curb for the 1st Imperative
Fouth shot . . . dirt nap for Extensor Action
Fifth shot . . . kiss the wife and kids for Angle of Approach Procedure
Sixth shot . . . why? why? why? Magic of the Right Forearm
Seventh shot . . . Delayed Pivot keep it real.

Other than that little bit of stuff . . . the Book's awight.

Oh . . . and the pulled the Maximum Participation Pattern from the grave. Up from the grave he arose!!!!!

Grap sodeez and moonpies! Biscuits and tenderloin!

mrodock 03-05-2007 11:29 PM

Weird, the only Brian I can remember is Brian Gay

6bmike 03-06-2007 12:00 AM

Lets drop it. This isn't even half the story about what went on behind the scenes. We are here to study the Golfing Machine. The same book Yoda was taught from by Homer Kelley and teaches to all of us, even lurkers that use this remarkable book to their advantage.

Bucket - it started with the directions the grooves face after hinge action- went to ball positions, what frozen means to the right wrist, tripod. I'm sure I missed a few. Lynn provided the Homer Kelley answer- the TGM answer or description. Are the HK answers the right one? Well- it's his book. Are we allowed to challenge? Positively- that’s how we learn. Do you have to accept the answer- Nope.

But you don’t trash your friends or plot against them over such things. That's just BS.

12 piece bucket 03-06-2007 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike (Post 39423)
Are the HK answers the right one? Well- it's his book. Are we allowed to challenge? Positively- that’s how we learn. Do you have to accept the answer- Nope.

Witcha . . . I don't have a problem with people saying Homer was wrong, Lynn was wrong, Festus was wrong, Barney was wrong, Elmo was wrong, Goober was wrong, Gomer was wrong, Beavis was wrong . . . we can ALL be wrong.

My issue is with people who obfuscate (that's right . . . ) . . . Mr. Kelley spoke and Mr. Kelley wrote. And some think THEY can spoke and wrote for Mr. Kelley . . . and that there can't stand. Some want to defend AI's and that's just fine . . . but WHO is charged with defending Mr. K? Huh? What?

6bmike 03-06-2007 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 39425)
Witcha . . . I don't have a problem with people saying Homer was wrong, Lynn was wrong, Festus was wrong, Barney was wrong, Elmo was wrong, Goober was wrong, Gomer was wrong, Beavis was wrong . . . we can ALL be wrong.

My issue is with people who obfuscate (that's right . . . ) . . . Mr. Kelley spoke and Mr. Kelley wrote. And some think THEY can spoke and wrote for Mr. Kelley . . . and that there can't stand. Some want to defend AI's and that's just fine . . . but WHO is charged with defending Mr. K? Huh? What?

Beavis wrong?????????? You better back that up boy!:eyes:

Amen Corner 03-06-2007 02:00 AM

:stop: :stop: :stop: :stop: :stop:

Lets this subject &D:

It is time to :3gears:

from it......

6bmike 03-06-2007 09:35 AM

Sounds good to me.

mrodock 03-06-2007 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amen Corner (Post 39433)
:stop: :stop: :stop: :stop: :stop:

Lets this subject &D:

It is time to :3gears:

from it......

I don't know what good us talking about it does, but if I was being slandered I would shout from the roof tops just as Lynn feels compelled to do when the slanderous comments are at their worst.


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