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2 Sides of a Coin?
2-P Wristcock
"The Wristcock shortens the Swing Radius to facilitate and synchronize the Rhythm and Acceleration of the Pivot and Power Package. The true Angular Speed (RPM) of the Clubhead is identical to that of the Hands due to the mandatory Flat Left Wrist." Wouldn't it be more accurate to say: "The true Angular Speed (RPM) of the Clubhead is identical to that of the Hands due to the mandatory Level and Bent Right Wrist." |
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Perhaps. The only issue I see is I think sometimes VJ and Couples are actually losing the bend in their right wrist prior to, or at, impact. However, they maintain the flat left wrist. It also seems simpler or more logical to use the flat left wrist as the 'guideline' - meaning - take a 2x4 from your shoulder to hands and let it extend. Just seems to make sense. I am sure there are more technical answers, just some thoughts real quick. Patrick |
However, with 10-2-D, the statement is not always true, because the Clubhead and Flat Left Wrist are not traveling at the same RPM at Impact. However, under all conditions with a Bent and Level Right Wrist the statement is always true.
Do you see it that way? |
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Hang on,
I am dumb. 10-2-D is grip type, right? I am thinking it would still be accurate. Remember, is talking about the clubhead, not clubface. I would think, regardless of grip type, RPM's would be same. If I rotated the 2x4 (example earlier) I dont think it would change RPM's. What do you think? |
10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION T/V/A Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. The #3 Pressure Point and the left thumb are also on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. Double Action – same as 10-2-C.
I'm a little concerned about that. 10-2-D doesn't Roll through impact. It seems to me, that the Clubhead/Clubface is uncocking going through Impact. If that's true, then they aren't traveling at the same RPM. The same RPM occurs with Roll when the Swingle doesn't pass the handle. |
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Good point. I see exactly what you mean. Perhaps I inferred Homer meant it in a circle way, versus your perspective, which makes sense to me - I can definitely see the clubhead moving faster due to the uncocking left wrist. Dont know. Need to roll this one around some. |
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Understand your point, and a hell of a good one. I'm with you. Its verbiage now and making sure all perspectives are accounted for. |
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If this is true, then, Left Wrist Action is controlled by Grip To Plane and Right Wrist Action. We can then define Right Wrist Actions. Then, and this gets really interesting, we can separate Power Package Assembly and Delivery independently from the Flying Wedges. You don’t need Flying Wedges to Putt. Much of HK’s Power Package Alignments are related to the Flying Wedge Structure. Maybe Power Package and Structure are separate, like Hip Motion and Hip Action. Power Package Structure can be defined by ............And Variations are..................??? I'm workin on it. |
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Certifiably. Not because of your logic -- dead on to me. But because you analyzed this to this point - and drug me into this - and now I wont be able to sleep. Speaking of drugging me, got a xanax? Insane. Crazy. I am talking bars on the window crazy. I'll be back though...... Patrick |
I think that this could close up some gaps. Think of Hinging as related to Right Wrist Actions through Impact.
Paddlewheel Wheelrim Turning Point Maybe Bucket and Mike O can chew on this bone for awhile. |
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I can hear bucket now: " It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose." I do not believe there is relationship hingingwise between the right wrist and clubface - in the book (of course there's some correlation - shin bone connected to the thigh bone, etc). Nice can of worms you opened here. I'm done for now. Hey Mike - make sure you get a nice wig for Pinehurst. Bucket prefers blond I believe. |
I haven't heard from Bucket or Mike O in two days! Did he get a Job again? The guy gets thrown out of the house and KFC probably won't let him hook up because he owes them money.
If anyone is driving through NC and ya see somebody eating Chicken while toting an empty Golf Bag along the side of the road, please stop and take Bucket Home. :) |
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You guys are killing me. |
Home sweet Home
Daryl,
The side of the road is Bucket's Home! Gotta go! In the middle of picking out a blonde wig. |
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You left this part out of the quote . . . This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads. The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane – no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See 10-10-C.10-2-D is just one big Karate Chop . . . throw the FACE at the ball . . . Rolling is for biscuits. Here's what we been feudin' over in the Swinger's Sections (OK who's going to be the first nerd to leap on that!) . . . I keep telling you this stuff is in the book . . . I don't make it up . . . 10-2-G TRIPLE OF QUADRUPLE When the above Grip Types are MODIFIED by Rotating the Hands so that either or both Wirsts cannot Cock On Plane without also Bending, Feel loses its geometric basis. Also the natural Wrist motions conflict. A bit of Left Wrist Turn properly becomes exactly the same amount of Double Wristcock to keep the Clubshaft On Plane and to maintain Impact Wrist Position. Except with a “True” Swing (6-B-3-0) where Centrifugal Force will produce the “geometric” Flat Left Wrist when there is actually a “visual” Bent Left Wrist. That is, the Clubshaft and the Left Arm are in a straight line per 6-B-3-0 and 2-K regardless of the Left Wrist Position. These procedures may be either “Weak” or “Strong” but either or both Wrist are Double Cocked per 10-18-B.Hello . . . Fred Couples!!!! |
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See 10-2-G . . . Except with a “True” Swing (6-B-3-0) where Centrifugal Force will produce the “geometric” Flat Left Wrist when there is actually a “visual” Bent Left Wrist. That is, the Clubshaft and the Left Arm are in a straight line per 6-B-3-0 and 2-K regardless of the Left Wrist Position |
Bucket,
Nice writing. As soon as I uncover your point, I'll understand how it fits into this discussion. :) |
I’m cataloging unresolved issues throughout the book. :) Thank you for your input, however the "Geometric Flat Left Wrist" has been documented prior to this discussion.
This discussion is concerned with the issues pertinent to whether or not the "Angular Speed (RPM) of the Clubhead is identical to that of the Hands" due to the Mandatory Flat Left Wrist or rather the Bent Right Wrist. Philly and I have already reached a conclusion. |
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The Flat Left Wrist has the status of IMPERATIVE . . . BUT and this is a big ole but (oh yeah) . . . the Flat Left Wrist is rooted in the Flail . . . and so it has to do with geometry and the relation is the left arm and the clubshaft(head) . . . so depending on how you attach your paws to the club . . . you may be Geometrically Flat but not anatomically Flat (Fred Couples . . . Sergio Garcia) satisfying the Imperative beautifully. The Bent and Level Right Wrist IS NOT an Imperative right? Why would you say that it doesn't achieve that status? Holla back! |
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The Flat Left Wrist has IMPERATIVE Status only at Impact regardless of Grip To Plane, because "If and Only If" the Flat Left Wrist Exists can a Lever Exist. The Bent Right Wrist would be a Corollary Imperative if the Flat Left Wrist is an Imperative. The Bent Right Wrist may be the Imperative. "?" |
If the Flat Left Wrist cannot result in the same RPM under all conditions, but the Bent Right Wrist can result in the Clubhead and Hands having the same RPM’s, then …”?”
With 10-2-D, the Flat Left Wrist cannot resolve the RPM issue. But the Bent Right Wrist can…”?” :) SO, I'm documenting this as an unresolved issue. :) |
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even if it is bent before impact . . . IT STILL MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A LEVER . . .because you still have the Secondary Lever so the principle is still there . .. maybe not for full power shots . . . but very useful for short game shots and lob shots. Remember Homer didn't operate in degrees . . . Flat (or In Line) is Flat every single time and can be visually ascertained . . . Bent on the other hand becomes a matter of degrees . . .how much Bent? . . . enough to be Flat . . . AND . . . How's about this here?  We have 1. Flat Left Wrist 2. Clubhead Lag Pressure Point 3. Straight Plane Line but NO BENT RIGHT WRIST. And the whole Horizontal Hinge Swinging that you soooo got the hotts for. |
If the Flat Left Wrist cannot result in the same RPM under all conditions, but the Bent Right Wrist can result in the Clubhead and Hands having the same RPM’s, then …”?”
The Geometric Basis of Flat (In Line) CAN result in the same RPM under all conditions . . . With 10-2-D, the Flat Left Wrist cannot resolve the RPM issue. But the Bent Right Wrist can…”?” :) Naw sir . . . the radius is the left arm and club . . .unless Right Arm Swinging or so flickdid arched that the left wrist becomes the center of the stroke. SO, I'm documenting this as an unresolved issue. :) There could be some unresolved issues for Mr. K . . . but this ain't the spot. |
Law Obeyed
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As you have. :salut: |
The concept of "Straightness" isn't important to the Lever but the concept of "Rigidity" applies. The Club and Left Arm must travel together. Extensor Action for Hitters, does what CF does for Swingers. EA offers other benefits, but that's another discussion.
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WHAT???? With 10-2-D, at Impact, the Clubhead is traveling at greater Velocity and RPM. There is no Roll before impact. Phillygolf backs me up on this. :) |
You may want to keep that sort of thing to a minum in NC though . . . them types of words will get the banjos fired up.
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Let's see a Picture of Vijay at Impact.!!!!!!!!!
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His problem is replacing Swivel for Hinging . . . that's why he has to beat as many balls as he does. Rigidity plays a roll (OK who's going to be the first to leap on that) . . .but I gotta think the ball knows something that ways considerably more than it does accelerating from 0 to 100+ mph in a short period of time and space more than how "ridgid" the thing is the "wrecking ball" is attached to. Can you say ROPE HANDLE??? |
Smoke Signals
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I just watched a video of Vijay on You Tube. Aweful!!!!! He wrecked his swing. So much for not wanting a teacher.....:naughty:
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But greater RPM than what? Holla back. Philly's got your back? I heard he was at CVS putting Jergens on lay-away? |
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You want Eastern Style or Lexington or both? |
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His problem is that he's clueless. Hope he doesn't go David Duval on us :salut:
He halts his Right Shoulder. He thinks that's a solution!!! His Right Arm stops going forward when his right shoulder stops. He is Throwing the entire left arm and club at the ball. |
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