Breaking 75!!!
 

I have a few questions. I have gone from being a fan of Hitting to a "manipulated hands " Swinger. I have also lost over 10 pounds on an Atkins/Paleo type diet. As a result, my sense of balance is almost non-existant.

Nevertheless, I shot a 79 the other day. I simply swung my clubs all the way to the top until I felt my left wrist fully vertically cock and then I aimed the club head at the inner quadrant or center back of the ball and pulled down to the aim point. :golf:

So here's the question. I am 5-11" and still 223 (from 233) pounds and can get the ball out on average about 260. The aiming point technique yields excellent driver and iron accuracy. So is the difference between a pro's distance and mine simply a function of athletics mostly or mostly fitted equipment and swing-weights? :dontknow:

I know from Lynn's teaching that I do not think of the steps my body needs to do to reach for a cool glass of water. Likewise, I am getting to that point in Swinging at the ball just by aiming at it with a a very simple checklist like: "target line, ball position, hinge, trace and aim." Am I missing a big piece somewhere? :read:

ICT

260 is a respectable distance even those who do not look athletic are at the highest level they're technique is correct and creates speed there are different ways to attain powr r for a given player for example snap release does nothing for me power wise instead random sweep with high hand speeds and high turning speed yields my best results for me the key to power is the left hip turning to the left after the axis tilt pulling through the ball also I like a simple thought of turning my snack to the target this gives you a nice powerful feeling of leverage I am built like Hogan skinny and small and routinely drive 320 plus I attribute it completely to my left hip speed in fact the muscle above my hip bone that is responsible for pulling bulges out much more than the right side to the poin t that I thought I had a hernia or something but it is just the muscle from years of pulling to the left clearing the left hip that is where power comes from for me anyway hope this helps

Turning Left
 

So then, Whip, to get the right mental framework, I set up as I do (like Hogan and a flared open left foot) and while maintaining a stationary head throw my front hip left or come down on my left heel strongly or? Do I ignore the club handle and simply aim the face at the desired part of the ball?

Thanks for your time on this. :) Shooting 76-79 is like going to the prom with a cousin! :eh:

ICT

But she's a good lookin' cousin.
I thought we had vaccinations against Paleo.
Nice going, ICT. Looks like it is all coming together. I am experiencing similar, but I sometimes get my machine a little off kilter and miss my target a bit.

By the way Jerry, I do not think of you as a liberal but as a common sense Mid-Westerner with great compassion, bud, so your machine is a little off only with your golf game sometimes and less often than mine. ; >

ICT

Paleo rules
 

I lost about 80 lbs in 9 months on a low carb-Atkins diet, three years ago and without any exercise, as my leg was in a cast for eight of those months. Going from 290 to 205. I've been on Paleo for two years, Robb Wolf style but with some diary and gained 20 lbs with strength training and still dropped another size in clothes, Im wearing clothes I wore as a freshman in college decades ago and never felt better or looked as good despite age. Atkins and Paleo saved my life, keep it up.

Are you a real doctor or/and do you play one on the internet?
 

Thanks Doc! So you know it can effect your sense of balance!


ICT

Never effected mine, I don't know what you are referring to.

Turn your back to the taget and bump the hip then pull with your left hip back and behind you

Aha! So that's Hogan's "3 right hands!"
 

It is simply bumping to get the right hip out of the way and turning left! Very nice! This should help getting my front artificial hip to move! :laughing9

As I turn left, my right forearm "paddle wheels" and feels like steel! :) Awesome!

My initial temptation is to designate a part of my upper body like my left hip as a "pivot point" since I really can't feel the artificial hip but as long as I bump, I think I will be fine "turning my chest left" or "turning my belly button left" or perhaps driving my left elbow on a diagonal. I need to try this at the range to get the variable causes and effects. :golf:

Thanks Whip/Doc/Jerry!

ICT

Thanks Bernt!


http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=78954&highlight=turning+left#post 78954

ICT,

I think your doing great! As far as balance is concerned you now have less inertia, perhaps greater range of motion, sinus pressure or your blood sugar might be low. As for distance all you can do is maximize your technique for your strength and flexibility. Even the best players in the world lose power with their shoulder turn as they age. Thinking clubhead is a no-no for me, just feel it. I have greater sucess thinking delivery prep.

Einstein allowed his eggs to hatch, never hurried them but turned them regularly.

This roller is awesome for loosening backs and muscles.
http://www.amazon.com/fit-Textured-H...j%2Ffit+roller

Bumpy

Thanks Bumpy!
 

I like Einstein moments, though not the bagel company due to the carbs! :golf:

Love the roller concept!

ICT

Teach,
I just came back from a fruitful session at the range. I worked on Fanning the Right Forearm with some vertical intent, loading the lag into the #3 PP and driving it all through the ball. Rockets, mostly. Great session. As long as I monitor that forearm and PP#3 my balance was solid. Can't say that is usually the case.

Jerry, I know when you say...
 

"..rockets..." we are talking 280 at least with those Wilson Duos! :golfcart:

You are a sub par shooting exceptional veteran!

ICT

The return of the Vertical Hinge!
 

:laughing9 :laughing9 I have an artificial hip which I cannot feel. So when I tried turning left to power my swing, some very interesting and funny things happened. :)

At first I tried stepping left and pulled the ball about 20 degrees left on a straight line.

To reinforce staying on plane, I set an alignment rod over and on top of a ball basket and was able to consistently hit the ball without disturbing the rod. The bad news was that I kept using the Angled Hinge. :redface:

Except it started out as an Angle Hinge but changed to a Vertical Hinge. :(

I can't feel my left hip so I bumped forward and tried to turn my left shoulder left. I hit every ball straight but every ball seemed to leave at a 45 degree angle! I now know I can hit a 4 iron over a 3 story tree from 100 yards away! :thumright The 4 iron apexed at 180, and the 6 iron at 160 and the driver at 220 yards. The ball landed so softly, seeming to take 10 minutes to come down, even with the driver.

I tried every ball position and the results were high and higher. I had a small bucket and was mystified. When I went to the car I checked my motion I realized I was tilting away and laying the face of the club on its back for a Vertical Hinge.

Ok ,so I know turning my left shoulder helps me create a Vertical Hinge from an Angle Hinge start-up. Now I have to try a standard set-up or anything else someone can suggest. :idea1:

ICT

Turning or pulling the left/front elbow left and other adventures
 

Boy, is my left hip sore! :)

Ok set up with my rods after school and slid the ball up to my left heel and stepped left and got consistently straight shots with my normal distances.


:scratch: But what if I turn my elbow to the left or pull it to the left? Now we're talking because the ball had more jump and almost a club length's greater difference. :) Ball position is important.


To refresh my memory, I went back to the simple vertical cocking and un-cocking of the left wrist.

http://youtu.be/vVws0CQqTDc


I set up ready to "roll on that line."

I monitored the straight line baseline, prepared to un-cock on that line, and rolled on that line with a marching drill action. So simple. :)


http://youtu.be/vVx6DPCIhd8


I really concentrated on keeping head still and lagging the club all the way to the top and then I threw that left wrist un-cocking at the ball. :salut:

We are about a month away from club championships. I know I can hit my driver down the middle and likewise my other clubs but our course has lots of troubles in front. Perhaps by concentrating strategy and on my sand game/ chips and putts, I can challenge for the "A" flight. :golfcart:

We will see!

ICT

Sounds like you have regressed into a Pivot Controlled Hands procedure. You're letting the Pivot be the master of your hands instead of the servant. Go back to the Imperatives - Trace the plane line with PP#3 using the Pivot with a no-roll feel and with a Flat Left Wrist, which will give you Angled Hinging.

Thanks MizunoJoe!
 

I do need to keep that left wrist flat but say, do I cover the base line of the plane or trace it?

Thanks!

ICT

Trace it - do some flashlight work to get the hang of tracing the plane line with the imaginary line from PP#3 through the sweet spot. I've found the perfect flashlight for this - the Streamlight Stylus Pro, which is about the same diameter as a golf shaft and about 5" long, and takes 2 AAA batteries. Your hard work will surely pay off! :salut:

As MJ posted, it is traced with PP#3, covering the baseline is an illusion. I doubt you are toying with a pivot powered stroke as totally ignorant hands are needed and yours aren't. A hands controlled pivot is NOT a pivotless golf stroke.

I hope he is, because Pivot Power is required!

Also, I presume no one thinks I implied that Hand Control implies no Pivot. On the contrary, he should start his tracing practice with Acquired Motion, which uses the Pivot to move the hands.

No I don't think anyone did but the one nut in all my TGM years to define is the role of the pivot in relation with the hands. Its the first thing taught by TGM, hands control the pivot but the pivot moves the hands so go straighten that out. Other then a small chip shot with flying wedges set and the motion almost all pivot, you have to have own some pretty untrained hands to be in the pivot controlled hands world.

What the world needs now...
 

So we have no enemies only teachers-Ed z's line is good. With a 10.7 hcp. index I still have a lot to learn. That will get better as my chipping/sand game becomes routine with the use of the vertically un-cocking left wrist.

So I was sitting next to one of our coaches who had an online article he wrote about a local tournament. Says he's a seven hcp. I mentioned my lack of distance and he said he was a big Ben Hogan fan and spoke about how he tuned left by pulling his elbow left but the ball position has to be forward. :read: Which sounds similar to Whip's bumping the hip and pulling it behind me.

So tomorrow I'll trace and march heel/heel and try a few shots pulling the elbow left as a down swing like stepping and swinging a bat. I know I can use the aiming point to the ball or to a location and I understand the priority of a hands controlled pivot. I know McHatton speaks of stepping left too. I might discover the secret is as simple as deciding to hit the ball further with the aiming point.

Report back soon. Thanks guys.

ICT

best chipping advice I ever got : use a short hit stroke, let the folding right arm cock the left wrist, straighten right arm into ball which uncorks a passive left wrist.

You will be not be TGM compliant, which requires the left arm to be inert. :naughty:

I suspect that you need to address the massive rotor if you have distance 'issues' when swinging. If a full correct shoulder turn were easy for everybody, then, according to a statistic I made up for this post, 80% of the population wouldn't suck at golf.

Bumpy

Edit: I went back and read some of your posts. You appear to be focusing on the downswing. You either have your backswing (the hard part for older golfers) down cold or you have a blind spot.

Remember the old song, the knee bone is connected to the shoulder bone.
see: 7-16.....the primary function of the knee action- as with waist bend- is to maintain a motionless Head durning the stroke. Shoulder turn freedom as I see and feel it.

also 10-16-A & 10-16-B

That's Interesting.
 

I had not really put together how "inert" inert means. Very interesting. So then if the hands are active that is one thing and they must be to control the various hinges, aim-points pulls or pushes. So then it is hands controlling the pivot.

Very useful. Thanks!


ICT

Very observant and logical!
 

Bumpy, Lynn gave me the proper MacDonald drills when I met with him and the whole alignments of swinging. Just a little lift of my knee or a Right Forearm Takeaway and I am good. My deal is distance. :crybaby: I am in the middle of the fairway a lot, but not in the middle of the green unless I use an angle hinge and angle of approach from an RFT or use an aiming point and pull the handle to the desired point on the ball, and the ground is hard. With those thing my best score is 76.

I am demanding a lot from TGM because I believe it has lots of insight and answers. Today, I turned my back fully to the target as Whip suggested and pivoted on my left heel sending my hip around back of me with my angle hinge lined up. I was in the middle of the fairway all day but could not control my second shot. Ball position was off I'm sure. I was shooting a 10 yard draw all day and I was running into sand and off the green etc. My chips mostly saved me and my vertically un-cocking left wrist made easy work out of the sand (hitting out of the sand is good too imho).

I know the deal is in the hands and hinges. I would just like to hit the odd 7 or 8 iron to the green on 400 yard plus holes instead of figuring out where to bounce my hybrid into the hole. Turning my back to the hole with my back swing seems powerful and full. Maybe a little right heel lift or an aim-point pulling the handle to the back of the ball. :read:

Hope y'all are playing this weekend and holiday. :)

By the way, it's a political season and I just thought I'd mention what a thoughtful and moving speech I thought Mr. Romney gave in a week of good speeches. Of course doing good is needed but I liked his speech and keep thinking of it. Seems like a nice family. Best wishes to everyone's family, our armed forces, and first responders. :golfcart:

God bless all of us.


ICT


I shot an 85 after throwing away a few shorter putts but the best the round could have been was an 80 or so.

Dr. Who in the house!
 

My head was steady and I really turned my shoulders today. It felt good and really kept my angle hinge quiet so I was good off the tea but playing a draw all day. I will study those sections, doc, and thanks.


ICT

ICT,

You have a blind spot. Start working on your weaknesses or go back to hitting. Too much jumping around, narrow your focus and attack systematically. Your trying to detour.

Bumpy

Funny you should mention that!
 

Turned my back fully today to the target, stayed on the elbow plane and drove that angle hinge DOWN. Very simple, very straight and high ball flight, played our championship tees and shot an 86 in front of a blustery storm front. Greens are aerated and my ball position was too far forward for some of my and I snapped a few. :crybaby:

Still a bad day on the course...

Have a nice holiday folks!


ICT

Club under heel pad...
 

Mid body hands, club under heel pad, strong grip. right forearm on plan, march/march, 78 in wind and rain with 3 birdies! :golfcart:


ICT

Nice goin', Teach.
I'm working on the rotor, hands like clamps, pivot and let 'er fly. Working well.

Important reminder to me!
 

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=22481&highlight=level+left+wrist# post22481


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Homer Kelley Meets Annikan Skywalker
Originally Posted by annikan skywalker


I love this photo, Annikan.

It is the personification of The Golfing Machine and the Impact alignments of the Left Arm Flying Wedge (through Impact, also known as the #3 Accumulator with its Flat and Level Left Wrist) and its relationship with the On Plane Right Forearm Flying Wedge (with its Bent and Level Right Wrist).

It is the perfect illustration of Homer Kelley's words from his Fall 1981 Master Class:

"The #3 Accumulator [Angle] should be constant. If you have your Right Forearm On Plane -- behind the Clubshaft -- this Angle will be constant. There's nothing that will change it. You're coming in like this [Homer demonstrates per David's photo above] as though there were no left arm."
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Haven't broke 75 yet, weekend 89 and today an 84. Today was cool though because I used my first set of clubs, Hogan Edges, forged, and used Lynn's teachings to keep my left arm extended while doing a "manipulated hands swing."
Angle Hinge or open face of Horizontal Hinge, whichever, I was hitting my 5 iron almost 180 yards and my 9 iron almost 140 with a standard swinging Angle Hinge. One fellow competitor asked me how I added so much distance, 40 yards on average on my drives, and I gave him Lynn's name and told him that Lynn showed me a better grip, made me wider and put me solidly on plane. I have qualified for our "A" flight championships with a 10.7 hcp. index. One sand save, 4 long birdie putts, three putted a lot,

Bought a very simple Ping Redwood putter, 36" because I know Jerry would want me too. lol! Happy Rosh to those like my Dad who are members of the Tribe, and Shalom Jerusalem!

ICT

Turning back and through!
 

With range balls, Angle Hinge, turn back to the target and break the ball with my left shoulder! With a new 8 degree SMT Deep Bore driver, Grafalloy Attack Lite, regular shaft, the ball leaves like a bullet on a rope, about 3 stories high, bounces the first time at about 200 before disappearing in the woods at 260. (I have to remember to keep the right hand, bent right wrist firm!)
Ball position determines how much cut if any. Dropping my elbow after the turn carries the ball almost 240 straight before disappearing.

The Horizontal Hinge is ridiculous ! Leaves at about 30 feet high, bounces at about 180 with a 10 yard draw or so skips to about 230 before hitting the trees.

The Hogan Edges seem to like the manipulated hands swing too, flying as far as my cavities or farther where they are aimed! :) Turn/Turn!

Jerry G had suggested the Wilson Duos and those balls play very well, fly about 10 yards shorter then my Pro V1's, durable, and really compress on the Hogan's and are about $20 for a dozen.

Will see if I can make some noise for our club Championships!


ICT

The Ball only does what you tell it to do. Unless of course, you're using "Ladies" Balls.

Senior Club Championships on Sunday
 

Well Kids, my hcp. is 11.2. I realize that to Hit, I have to cover a line going out to right field from the inside quadrant of the ball. I also realize that hitting does not mean taking the club above my shoulder and keeping my left wrist flat or arched.

I know I have to bump my left hip into the shot. RFT to top and cover the delivery line coming down.

I also will make darn sure to decorate whatever ball I and fully identify it! :( And my Pivot will supply the power to my educated hands.

ICT