Rear Wrist Bend
 

Hasn't been a post in here for a few days so I chose this folder.

Anyone else have a tendency to increase the amount of rear wrist bend, selected at impact fix and determined by ball position, during their Hit? Somewhere between the start of the Backstroke and end of the Downstroke, I'm increasing the amount of bend. My guess is that at some point during the Follow-Through it returns to something like the impact fix amount. My shots are flying lower than they should.

I've only today realised that this is happening, but I have two guesses as to the why.
1. My left wrist grip is between 10-2-B and 10-2-D, increasing the bend of the right wrist might be my way of achieving the absolutely flat left wrist look at the Top. I'm working on 10-2-B, but the inside edge of my left thumb has a pathetic pain threshold :?
2. Without increasing the bend it feels like (checking in the mirror it looks like it as well) the shaft is only just beyond vertical at the Top. I don’t like that feeling. I have elbow bend, but the more I feel extensor action, the less elbow bend I have and therefor less Acc. 2 (I guess?). Adding bend seems to get rid of that feeling. Early stages, I'll check all this tomorrow.

Does anyone else do this and do my explanations make any sense? I'll try to keep the wrist static next time I have a hit, will feel weird no doubt. What benefits might I see from having a completely locked in rear wrist bend/right forearm flying wedge?

thanks :)

Nevermind,
I have had some 'issues' with this, but keep in mind I'm new to TGM....only 8 months now, and just 5 of those after seeing Luke, so I may just be discussing 'my issues' not anything that is universal. Having said that, this is what I've found with regard to my hitting stroke and the variance in right wrist bend:
a) Inconsistent Impact Fix .... I get sloppy here; it almost destroyed me in May until I started looking in the mirror. I need to look at the wedges and I'm starting to understand that while this should be simple it takes time to make it a habit. I have yet to play a round of golf setting the wedges correctly on every shot. I've only just recently recognized that I make the mistake on the golf course frequently. Practice is usually a bit better.
b) not stopping at Top... if the backswing gets too long the wt. of the club increases the right wrist bend at the top....usually that ends up causing some throwaway at the bottom however, so it sounds a bit different from what you have.
c) Inability to keep a slow constant acceleration in the downstroke...

Re: Rear Wrist Bend
 

You're definately on to something important. I had the same problem, and was taught to do so. I started witha 10-2-D grip, and the hand being turned and bent means that the left arm flying wedge would be destroyed if the left wrist became flat. The only way the left arm flying wedge would remain in tact is if the left wrist was to bend at the top. Even today, I fight that previous instruction. To me it feels like I'm keeping my right wrist from bending at all. I know it to be different because I can see the results on video. The feeling of keeping the right wrist frozen is an awesome feel, if you like solid contact. :)

Hmmm...frozen right wrist...interesting.

As in...does not change at all from address to the top? Same amount of bend at address and stays uncocked?

Whatever you preset at Fix is what you maintain throughout.

Right wrist is frozen in it's BENT and LEVEL condition.

Left wrist is locked in it's FLAT condition.

Ah good stuff.

So add anymore bend to the right wrist and you arch the left (which "should" stay flat ideally I guess eh)...

...and you have something like the Manzella Twistaway eh.

I think I now fully see the merit in "pull your left thumb up the turned shoulder plane."

ahh... "frozen" was the word I was searching for.

psheehan thanks, all three sound like they might be contributing factors for me also.

This is the emergency room right? Something is broke damnit, help me fix myself :? Besides using my incredible willpower :roll:, how can I ditch the tendency to increase the rear wrist bend, any drills? just repetition of the 3 motions?

I'm thinking that lack of elbow bend at the Top might be a problem for me. Tomorrow I'll have a little look and find out if I can easilly remedy that without fudging up too many other things [-o<

My problem when working on my swing is this. Is what I'm noticing a symptom of something else, or is it something that should be worked on in it's own right. It is so with this problem. Should I just focus on holding the wrist bend frozen, or search for any root causes then work on them?

Frozen right
 

You do have to make it your focus until it becomes natural. It will be hard to make the wrist too frozen. That's like having too much extensor action. It's just one of those things that takes some work.

Re: Frozen right
 

Like your hands are wrapped in an ace bandage - wedges set at 90 degrees to the direction of motion. On plane, at the tip of the triangle.

'setting' the right hand wedge is a imporant feeling to understand, especially in chip shots.

The broom drill (right hand only, left fist set between the broom and your right forearm such that the angle is held in 'shape').

The wedge(s) are a simple way to 'get' TGM.

10-2-B grip
extensor action
Right forearm

balance extensor action and 'twist away' with a 10-2-B grip
close your eyes and swing 2 clubs together while seeing your shot
understand on plane rotation (rotation point), and the 'head of the hammer' (mirror point)

"The feel is in the hands, and the feet" - Bob Toski

Coming soon to a Galaxy near you......... 8)

----------so arching the left wrist at the top means it shuts the face down big time and thus a cause of my hooks----------correct?